celeb news Pet Shop Boys shade Taylor "Where are the famous songs?"

[RandomHooker]

6 hours ago, WildHeart said:

They are not. They are unfortunately forgotten, that's why songs like Music do 45k daily. Not everyone can be remembered and that's ok. 

Imagine saying The Madonna has no remembered hits. Were you born in 2005?  Like a Virgin, La Isla Bonita, Like a Prayer, Vogue, Holiday, Frozen, Sorry, Hung Up.

[WildHeart]

6 hours ago, LIDDOATIN said:

Y'all know d*mn well that this conversation was made based on the fact that her songs remain UNKNOWN despite the massive streams

 

Yet y'all are still trying to defend her by saying "numbers say otherwise"

 

Well, it's also a fact that Swifties' yearenderd are 200k-300k minutes of streams for Taylor yearly so there's that 

Oh right, numbers lie. Actually Gaga is the biggest thing in the world with her 10M daily streams. People just don't stream but they know how big she is 

 

2 hours ago, RandomHooker said:

Decade old or not. The point of the thread is that Taylor Swift has no classics or hits that will live on for generations to come. Bad Romance, Just Dance, Poker Face and Shallow are more remembered than any lullaby that Taylor Swift's has released. Her products were consumed and forgotten as quick they came. McDonald's of Pop and the female BTS indeed.

 

 

Not a liddo talking about quickly forgotten things. The Jokes write themselves at this point 

[aesthetic bih]

11 hours ago, Album Leak said:

I think the point is that you'd expect someone of Taylor Swift's current MASSIVE status to have global monster hits. Most of her biggest hits are pre-Reputa (and it's debatable whether those hits are global classics to begin with), when she was big, but nothing compared to how big she is today.

Well, clearly that discourse doesn't matter. Taylor herself has proved that you can reach her success without a "Billie Jeans hit" , and isn't that more impressive? But that PSB member reeks of insecurity, he has a lot of reservations (i.e., "She's gigantic but doesn't have memorable hits!") for Taylor when her success is literally undeniable. I bet if it's a guy who is experiencing Taylor's success, he wouldn't be saying the things he'd been saying.

 

Why settle with a "Billie Jeans hit" (singular) when you can have 6 SMASH albums instead (plural)? (Fearless, Red, 1989, Folklore, Midnights, TTPD)

[Kavish]

I don't think a pop forum should hail his opinion because he would most probably say the same thing about most of the pop girls.  This is the type of breed that believes in "real music" and sees pop-girl music as disposable trash.  They usually only praise pop-girls who veer away from "girly music".  Notice how he used a male legend as reference when he could have used another female artist.

 

That being said, I would believe this statement from an average Joe, not from him. He is British and a musician, which makes it impossible to not know at least one famous Taylor Swift song in his universe.  

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

No lies found. I did some research .

 

None of my friends and my sisters know any single song by her. Some of them don't even acknowledge her name. Lol

Let alone Fearless, Red, 1989, Folklore, Midnights, TTPD).

lol

 

Good try.

 

But everyone knows beat it, like a virgin, my heart will go on, hello by adele, baby one more time, poker face,   I will always love you, and etc.

 

I think swifties just live within the us  spotify or girlyland which has  playlistings to manipulate peoples ears of what they need to listen to .

There's the world outside the playlisted Spotify circle.

OK let them be 

 

Lol

Edited April 28 by thequeenofpopmadonna

[WildHeart]

11 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

None of my friends and my sisters know any single song by her.

Her audience is not 60 years olds but thanks for your research

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

5 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

Her audience is not 60 years olds but thanks for your research

Your dad and mom are at the 60s. Thanks for the try.

I'm not responding to you who are without any further knowledge and only with ignorance for trolling. 

Don't quote. On ignore from now 

 

Edited April 28 by thequeenofpopmadonna

[liam13]

your small ahh circle doesn't represent the whole world. how the f*ck do you prove "everyone knows this song"? because you feel like it? be so ffr 

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

Better than Spotify obsessed swifties without actual 'famous songs'. Obviously. 

Of course my circle doesn't represent all at all. But an example that I could quote directly and obviously.

Still better than swifties self claimed insistence with no basis 

Edited April 28 by thequeenofpopmadonna

[Mandalay]

 

He said it in a lighthearted, casual way if you watch this video, not in a shady way obviously.

 

And I've always wondered myself the same way. For someone as big as her, she doesn't 'still' have that Billie Jean- sized hit.

 

People are going in circles in this thread.

 

Some Taylor fans pointed out about mono-culturalism and they are right to an extent. 

 

However, Taylor's hits are confined to a certain demographic at this point and she still has to prove she can have a song that everyone knows. The reason is that her songs are not catchy enough.

 

And other fan bases are not exactly wrong - forget the obvious trolls - when several of her peers have huge hits like Poker Face, We Found Love or Halo. Taylor is similar to Ariana Grande in that regard despite being much bigger.

 

Also, don't drag senior divas like Madonna into this with Spotify streams. She has evergreen hits like 'Like a virgin' or 'Material Girl' or 'La Isla Bonita'. I don't think we need Spotify data to prove their classic status.

[liam13]

12 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

Better than Spotify obsessed swifties without actual 'famous songs'. Obviously. 

Of course my circle doesn't represent all at all. But an example that I could quote directly and obviously.

Still better than swifties self claimed insistence with no basis 

okay. so how to you prove someone is famous, something is popular, a song is a hit?

by analyzing factually reported numbers and cultural impact (being sampled, used in different types of media, constantly being referenced and used by people,...) or by asking people around you and your feelings and knowledge?

 

for a song to be called a classic, it should at least be remembered by people many years later. catalog streams are now bigger than new music streams, which means classics are being streamed just like new music if not more. so when you look at the numbers, song like rhythm nation (which some people claimed is a classic in this very thread) is gaining just around 10k streams everyday, which is a huge difference compared to real classics like billie jean or creep or i will always love you.

 

at least we can look at the numbers and learn some information. meanwhile all you do is ask around and "omg nobody knows her"  the jokes write themselves i guess

[LikeaRebel]

1 hour ago, Kavish said:

I don't think a pop forum should hail his opinion because he would most probably say the same thing about most of the pop girls.  This is the type of breed that believes in "real music" and sees pop-girl music as disposable trash.  They usually only praise pop-girls who veer away from "girly music".  Notice how he used a male legend as reference when he could have used another female artist

You clearly don't know anything about Neil Tennant.  He's gay, he loves pop music and has collaborated with many female artists including Liza Minelli, Dusty Springfield, Girls Aloud and Madonna. 

[charot]

1 hour ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

No lies found. I did some research .

 

None of my friends and my sisters know any single song by her. Some of them don't even acknowledge her name. Lol

Let alone Fearless, Red, 1989, Folklore, Midnights, TTPD).

lol

 

Good try.

 

But everyone knows beat it, like a virgin, my heart will go on, hello by adele, baby one more time, poker face,   I will always love you, and etc.

 

I think swifties just live within the us  spotify or girlyland which has  playlistings to manipulate peoples ears of what they need to listen to .

There's the world outside the playlisted Spotify circle.

OK let them be 

 

Lol

Streaming literally gives 13-year-olds and big fandoms full control of the charts, not to mention the manipulations. Spotify numbers do not represent what's popular with the gp or the masses especially globally, only few blow up with the gp nowadays. It's still a niche platfrom outside USA and a few countries. And Billboard doesn't influence the world anymore, it has become so local. No wonder those supposed hits are only known within their bubble.

Edited April 28 by charot

[Shelter]

That Swiftie bringing up daily streams as if classics are based just on that. It's the go to move for Swifties "The streams" it's all about numbers with them because they have nothing else. 

 

[liam13]

but of course, when i ask question like "how do you know a song is a classic?", i see no answer.

i rather use numbers and cultural relevancy than trust my own feelings.

you do you i guess 

[WildHeart]

4 hours ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

On ignore from now 

GP to your fave for the last 20 years :

 

2 hours ago, Shelter said:

That Swiftie bringing up daily streams as if classics are based just on that. It's the go to move for Swifties "The streams" it's all about numbers with them because they have nothing else. 

 

Ofc Hive is trying with "my feelings only" "who cares about numbers" 

 

If my fave's so called classics only did 500k daily streams, i would act like that too. It is all about vibes when it comes to hive 

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

In almost all European countries including the UK, she has few no. 1 hits. Only 3 in the UK. Zero in Germany and France. What a tragic result.

Fewer than Ariana and even Shakira in some. 

 I guess They are ignoring her songs in europe since her debut. Only buy tickets to see what's buzz about her because everyone's touring now and there's too much media local coverage from the us. 

And attend in her shows. Imagine More than half of the people has zero recognition on her unknown songs probably.

How embarrassing it would feel like as talking about local act with Spotify.

Edited April 28 by thequeenofpopmadonna

[LIDDOATIN]

6 hours ago, WildHeart said:

Oh right, numbers lie. Actually Gaga is the biggest thing in the world with her 10M daily streams. People just don't stream but they know how big she is 

 

Not a liddo talking about quickly forgotten things. The Jokes write themselves at this point 

You really didn't get the point of PSB and this thread, did you? 

 

Well, let me "SPILL" IT OUT for you.. Taylor has crazy success on paper but casual listeners don't know any MASSIVE UNESCAPABLE SMASH from her.. why is that?? Because it's a well-known fact that Swifties are crazy loopers even crazier than BTS fans

[RandomHooker]

1 hour ago, LIDDOATIN said:

You really didn't get the point of PSB and this thread, did you? 

 

Well, let me "SPILL" IT OUT for you.. Taylor has crazy success on paper but casual listeners don't know any MASSIVE UNESCAPABLE SMASH from her.. why is that?? Because it's a well-known fact that Swifties are crazy loopers even crazier than BTS fans

It's brain rot from listening to that 3 hrs long album on repeat for NuMb3rZs!1!1

 

 

OT: Taylor Swift has no remembered songs.

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, LIDDOATIN said:

You really didn't get the point of PSB and this thread, did you? 

 

Well, let me "SPILL" IT OUT for you.. Taylor has crazy success on paper but casual listeners don't know any MASSIVE UNESCAPABLE SMASH from her.. why is that?? Because it's a well-known fact that Swifties are crazy loopers even crazier than BTS fans

 

23 minutes ago, RandomHooker said:

It's brain rot from listening to that 3 hrs long album on repeat for NuMb3rZs!1!1

 

 

OT: Taylor Swift has no remembered songs.

Spotify Monthly Listeners 

 

#2 Taylor Swift - 109.4M

#37 Katy Perry - 56.4M

#39 Lady Gaga - 56.1M

#177 BTS - 27.9M 

 

Conclusion - Gaga doesn't even have Katy's reach. She is the closest thing to female BTS with zero solo smash hits in the last DECADE. She is as fan driven as it gets which explains her lack of longevity and success 

Edited April 28 by WildHeart

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

5 hours ago, liam13 said:

okay. so how to you prove someone is famous, something is popular, a song is a hit?

by analyzing factually reported numbers and cultural impact (being sampled, used in different types of media, constantly being referenced and used by people,...) or by asking people around you and your feelings and knowledge?

 

for a song to be called a classic, it should at least be remembered by people many years later. catalog streams are now bigger than new music streams, which means classics are being streamed just like new music if not more. so when you look at the numbers, song like rhythm nation (which some people claimed is a classic in this very thread) is gaining just around 10k streams everyday, which is a huge difference compared to real classics like billie jean or creep or i will always love you.

 

at least we can look at the numbers and learn some information. meanwhile all you do is ask around and "omg nobody knows her"  the jokes write themselves i guess

At least I think pet shop boys know better than Spotify obsessed swifties. They've been in the business longer than her age and seen all come and go. 

And I totally agree with them. 

 

It's not my fault your favorite has zero famous song that everyone recognized all over the world.

Blame your bland favorite.

Dont hang her **** on me.

Edited April 28 by thequeenofpopmadonna

[The Next Day]

6 hours ago, Kavish said:

I don't think a pop forum should hail his opinion because he would most probably say the same thing about most of the pop girls.  This is the type of breed that believes in "real music" and sees pop-girl music as disposable trash.  They usually only praise pop-girls who veer away from "girly music".  Notice how he used a male legend as reference when he could have used another female artist.

PSB did a whole album with Xenomania because they loved Girls Aloud.

[liam13]

12 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

At least I think pet shop boys know better than Spotify obsessed swifties. They've been in the business longer than her age and seen all come and go. 

And I totally agree with them. 

 

It's not my fault your favorite has zero famous song that everyone recognized all over the world.

Blame your bland favorite.

Dont hang her **** on me.

so still feelings and vibes. got it

[shakeyourbombom]

3 hours ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

In almost all European countries including the UK, she has few no. 1 hits. Only 3 in the UK. Zero in Germany and France. What a tragic result.

Fewer than Ariana and even Shakira in some. 

Just to clarify, Shakira has 4 no.1s in Germany, 5 no.1s in Switzerland and France, 6 no.1s in Italy, 13 no.1s in Spain so not "even Shakira in some".

Best selling female artist of all time in Spain

3rd in Switzerland

Top 10 in France and Germany

(Incomplete figures in Italy for everyone so not including it)

[Kimi]

8 hours ago, Kavish said:

I don't think a pop forum should hail his opinion because he would most probably say the same thing about most of the pop girls.  This is the type of breed that believes in "real music" and sees pop-girl music as disposable trash.  They usually only praise pop-girls who veer away from "girly music".  Notice how he used a male legend as reference when he could have used another female artist.

 

That being said, I would believe this statement from an average Joe, not from him. He is British and a musician, which makes it impossible to not know at least one famous Taylor Swift song in his universe.  

he's literally a queer pop artist that makes synth pop since the 80s wtf are you talking about. swifties and their victim mentality once again.