PoisonPill Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, Raiden said: Not really. There's no evidence those two songs are in any significant way more famous than, say, "You belong with me" or "Bad Blood" and a couple more others. All you did is just mention major singles of different albums. So Pet Shop Boys and other critics are spot on — there has not been even one stand out Taylor Swift song that can be objectively described as a mass pop-cultural phenomenon or even the favorite of smaller but elite, refined music aficionados. And no, that doesn't mean she is an album artist. Album artists have ionic albums but nevertheless also have iconic songs, songs that individually stood out regardless of whether they were album headliners or not. Bob Dylan, Beatles, Queen, you name it — they all had songs that are jumping out from the rest of their repertoire, some were instant hits, others became classics as time went by. But when I think of Taylor Swift I think of not one song which seems grander than the rest. She keeps churning out new hits year after year, all of which seem to perform similar on the charts (relatively successful) but it has a short shelf/lifespan — cuz the next one comes and grabs all the attention so whichever one is old will instantly fade away — melt into the same mushy plain vanilla background where all her past songs are buried. I don't like Shake It Off, but there's really no disputing that it's a cultural staple that will be heard in supermarkets, radio and weddings for years to come. And your claim about Taylor's hits not having longevity are interestingly timed, when she's in the midst of a multi-year smash song that will likely finish 2nd on the year-end Hot 100 (5 years after release) and is one of the five longest-running top 10s of all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient Zero Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 He kinda ate. Who remembers any of the BTS songs, and they were all smashes when you just look at chart position and numbers. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger.vaz Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 8 hours ago, Bey'Knight said: Girl i could write a thesis on Taylor's media manipulation pre-dating her debut. You're probably too far gone to last past a dissertation title judging by your cheap strawman to slick off tangent to another artist. Go Girl, Write it, perhaps that helps you with your frustation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemoR Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Well they didn't lie. She is very successful chart-wise, but her hits lack that "classic" component. If you put her hits next to, for example, Madonna's hits, the comparison is just laughable. To be fair though, I don't think "classic hits" are produced anymore. The hits from 2010s and 2020s are nowhere near close the classic hits of the 70s, 80s, 90s. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelter Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 My thread is a hit. Thank you Neil 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyboi Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 you know, Taylor have a LOT of great songs but i do feel like she doesn't have a MASSIVE timeless classic like Billie Jean, Bohemian Rhapsody or Toxic like her discography is very linear, a lot of good albumes but very few highs maybe blank space is her thriller? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bey'Knight Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 46 minutes ago, Ger.vaz said: Go Girl, Write it, perhaps that helps you with your frustation. I'm on a music forum doing music forum things. Leave the dramatics for the victimhood subtext peppered in between the lines of your fav's lyrics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxoonlight Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) Nobody genuinely believes this and anyone claiming to the contrary does not like her. Which is more than fine, but you don't need to lie in order to express that. Edited April 26 by mxoonlight 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrina Carpenter Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 oh so he released a new album that's why Taylor's name was brought up no Taylor, no clout 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, Sabrina Carpenter said: oh so he released a new album that's why Taylor's name was brought up no Taylor, no clout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBax Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Okay but who the f*ck are the Pet Shop Boys 1 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dula Peep Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 he did not lie where are the HITS 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizon Flame Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, KBax said: Okay but who the f*ck are the Pet Shop Boys I'm embarrassed for you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizon Flame Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Sabrina Carpenter said: oh so he released a new album that's why Taylor's name was brought up no Taylor, no clout They and the Pet Shop Boys don't need anyone in order to sell records. They are legends. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloko Plus Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Taylor absolutely has remembered songs and I'm not even a fan. You Belong With Me is the first one that comes to mind 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBax Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: I'm embarrassed for you. Oh..? I didn't realize it was a requirement to know who they are 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizon Flame Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, KBax said: Oh..? I didn't realize it was a requirement to know who they are If you want to be taken seriously in a music discussion, then yes, you are required to know who they are. You're completely ignorant otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBax Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: If you want to be taken seriously in a music discussion, then yes, you are required to know who they are. You're completely ignorant otherwise. Not knowing who an artist is, is not ignorant. You need to chill and not be so butt hurt over it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrique523 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I love their music but they are SO delusional right there it's not even funny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrique523 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 16 hours ago, Bey'Knight said: Right. Everyone around her treats her like a deity. Her fanbase has spun into a daylight-operating cult. No surprise she has the maturity bandwidth of a petulant child with a pram full of sailor dolls. Not a BEYONCE stan saying that 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marry The Gods Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Broken said: Gaga is a fan of the pet shop boys. They even offered for her to perform with them. I guess they saw that she wasn't another blonde who can't hold a note Edited April 26 by Marry The Gods 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erreur2 La Nature Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 This is basically what everyone outside of her fanbase thinks and I don't mean it as a shade. Streams are not what makes songs classics and popular around the world among the general public. Taylor does not have a classic unlike other artists despite all of her tracks having 50 billion plays on Spotify. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIDDOATIN Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, PoisonPill said: The way we'll all just say anything at this point in the name of stan wars Ask the Pet Shop Boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonPill Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, KBax said: Not knowing who an artist is, is not ignorant. You need to chill and not be so butt hurt over it. The definition of ignorant is "lacking knowledge or awareness." So it is quite literally "ignorant." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rihannafan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Some points were made 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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