americanlife Posted April 26 Posted April 26 13 minutes ago, Aaron said: Obviously he's wrong but it is kinda interesting how she hasn't had a massive GP-permeating smash since 2014. I guess she's way more of an albums artist now, people always define themselves by their 'era' Cruel Summer says hi 1
babycomeround Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) I'm not even a fan of Taylor but Love Story, You Belong With Me & Shake It Off are most definitely known by the GP. Music also isn't a collective experience anymore, so it's unlikely you will get a Thriller in this day and age. The fact she's managed to break so many records without multiple smash hits is even more impressive. Edited April 26 by babycomeround 2 1
BnPac Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Well she's an album's artist first and foremost. Still she has hits like Cruel Summer and Blank Space. But it's an interesting conversation, one that sadly can't be had on Atrl, Taylor is the biggest artist in the world and none of her songs are as inescapable as the biggest artist from the 80's, 90's and some of 00's. The music scene has fundamentally changed. I don't know if such hits are still possible. 4
Mean Trees Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Whoever said Swifties hate music is completely right. They just like content. They have zero knowledge about any other musical artist other than Taylor. Taylor's the musical equivalent of a Tiktoker hence none of her music leaks out from her mass cult base. I've heard not one song of her's other than Cruel Summer in the past month and that was on the radio. Not to mention all the Eco-waste she produces via her ''merch'' sales. 8 5 1 5
LIDDOATIN Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) 25 minutes ago, americanlife said: Cruel Summer says hi Issa hit but not really up there with Shake It Off, Blank Space Edited April 26 by LIDDOATIN
LIDDOATIN Posted April 26 Posted April 26 10 minutes ago, BnPac said: Well she's an album's artist first and foremost. Still she has hits like Cruel Summer and Blank Space. But it's an interesting conversation, one that sadly can't be had on Atrl, Taylor is the biggest artist in the world and none of her songs are as inescapable as the biggest artist from the 80's, 90's and some of 00's. The music scene has fundamentally changed. I don't know if such hits are still possible. Recent Years we have Flowers, Unholy, I'm Good, As It Was Still nothing for this year tho
Popular Post Virgos Groove Posted April 26 Popular Post Posted April 26 (edited) Swifties (this post-Midnights wave in particular) are truly the MCU stans of music. If it doesn't exist within their "universe", it doesn't exist at all to them. The "Who are PSB and Courtney Love?" replies... MCU stans asking "Who is Ken Loach?" teas. Edited April 26 by Virgos Groove 17
loveisdead9582 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Look, I've heard of pet shop boys and I can only name a couple of their songs. The GP can name at least 3 Taylor swift songs which is probably more than they could PSB. 1 2 2 2
Démodé Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, JO1s said: Yes from a perspective outside the uk. There's plenty of Japanese artists with much bigger careers than that that atrl doesn't know and the uk is a significantly smaller music market than Japan. Hell artists that go #1 in the us that don't go #1 in European countries are treated as irrelevant here too. They just told you that even from an outside-of-UK perspective you're even more wrong because Bebe doesn't even have top10 hits in the US but you still think you're right.
Raiden Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) On 4/25/2024 at 11:22 PM, hud said: I'd say Shake it Off and Blank Spreace are well-known Not really. There's no evidence those two songs are in any significant way more famous than, say, "You belong with me" or "Bad Blood" and a couple more others. All you did is just mention major singles of different albums. So Pet Shop Boys and other critics are spot on — there has not been even one stand out Taylor Swift song that can be described as a future classic or a pop-cultural phenomenon or even a favorite of smaller but elite, refined music aficionados. And no, that doesn't mean she is an album artist. Album artists have ionic albums but nevertheless also have memorable songs that stand the test of time. Bob Dylan, Beatles, Queen, you name it — they all have songs that jump out from the rest of their repertoire. Some were instant hits, others became classics as time went by. But when I think of Taylor Swift I think of not one song similar in legacy status. She keeps churning out new hits year after year, all of which seem to perform similar on the charts (relatively successful) but it has a short shelf/lifespan — cuz the next one comes and grabs all the attention so whichever one is old will swiftly fade away — melt into the same mushy, misty plain vanilla background where all her past songs are buried. Edited April 27 by Raiden 1 2 1
ericcartman Posted April 26 Posted April 26 She's an album artist. He's not as wrong as it sounds. Everyone k kwa her albums and everyone knows Taylor. And most people will listen to a song and can tell it's Taylor because her writing style is iconic and we all know the sound of her voice. But no she does not have a lot of monster singles. 1
Vermouth Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, americanlife said: Any possible respect I had for Pet Shop Boys is now gone. I will NEVER listen to their music. His opinion is completely incorrect, it's one thing to dislike her music but she obviously has popular songs that literally all the general public knows and can recite. She has almost as many hits as The Beatles and she's getting ready to outsell Madonna as best selling female artist. In the end of it all she will be the best selling artist of all time. Pet Shop Boys is nowhere near that list. Shame on him and we will UNLEASH karma. I assume this is irony?
JO1s Posted April 26 Posted April 26 17 minutes ago, Démodé said: They just told you that even from an outside-of-UK perspective you're even more wrong because Bebe doesn't even have top10 hits in the US but you still think you're right. She has 4 so you're also wrong.
Aristede Posted April 26 Posted April 26 She doesn't really give her songs time to grow like that. By the time someone can finish listening to an album of hers, she's already announced the next one and then they're ready to move on. Maybe if she'd let her fans sit with the album(s) for a while, they wouldn't be buried underneath about 50 more songs.
wehan6 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 very few artists have a song as iconic as billie jean lol. the only song by a pop girl from the last 15 years that is as iconic as billie jean is probably bad romance 1 1
LIDDOATIN Posted April 26 Posted April 26 16 minutes ago, wehan6 said: very few artists have a song as iconic as billie jean lol. the only song by a pop girl from the last 15 years that is as iconic as billie jean is probably bad romance FACTS Only but even comparing Taylor's Legit "SMASH HITS" to Gaga's, Katy's, Adele's SMASH HITS? they pale even FLOWERS and I'm Good stomped on boring unknown fan-inflated songs like fortnight, anti-hero, cardigan, willow 3 3
thequeenofpopmadonna Posted April 26 Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, LIDDOATIN said: FACTS Only but even comparing Taylor's Legit "SMASH HITS" to Gaga's, Katy's, Adele's SMASH HITS? they pale even FLOWERS and I'm Good stomped on boring unknown fan-inflated songs like fortnight, anti-hero, cardigan, willow No lies detected
americanlife Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Vermouth said: I assume this is irony? It is not 1
Vermouth Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 minute ago, americanlife said: It is not Ok. "Literally all the general public knows and can recite" Bit overblown maybe? 1
hud Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Raiden said: Not really. There's no evidence those two songs are in any significant way more famous than, say, "You belong with me" or "Bad Blood" and a couple more others. All you did is just mention major singles of different albums. So Pet Shop Boys and other critics are spot on — there has not been even one stand out Taylor Swift song that can be objectively described as a mass pop-cultural phenomenon or even the favorite of smaller but elite, refined music aficionados. And no, that doesn't mean she is an album artist. Album artists have ionic albums but nevertheless also have iconic songs, songs that individually stood out regardless of whether they were album headliners or not. Bob Dylan, Beatles, Queen, you name it — they all had songs that are jumping out from the rest of their repertoire, some were instant hits, others became classics as time went by. But when I think of Taylor Swift I think of not one song which seems grander than the rest. She keeps churning out new hits year after year, all of which seem to perform similar on the charts (relatively successful) but it has a short shelf/lifespan — cuz the next one comes and grabs all the attention so whichever one is old will instantly fade away — melt into the same mushy plain vanilla background where all her past songs are buried. damn, okay
Mike91 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I'm not Taylor's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but I swear every time a female artist reaches a certain level, the industry comes after them. Madonna, Britney, Gaga, Beyonce, Taylor. etc. **** even Adele's had a few older artists come after her over the years. 3 1
PoisonPill Posted April 26 Posted April 26 7 hours ago, LIDDOATIN said: Flowers, Unholy, Kill Bill, I'm Good were inescapable in comparison to the GP unknown Anti-Hero The way we'll all just say anything at this point in the name of stan wars
Mike91 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 5 hours ago, Harsh2256 said: By the rate she's going i feel she's gonna be the best selling artist oat. The entire industry is gonna drag her and she's only gonna earn in billions going forward. Lord I want this kinda career. She would have to sell like over 700 million to even reach MJ, let alone the Beatles. 2
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