base talk The Tortured Poets Department Review Thread | MC - 76

[CovalentBondage]

4 minutes ago, Kimi said:

are there any missing reviews?

The ones waiting for the cheque to clear

[Cameltoe Chariot]

53 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

The moment the (musical) world moves on from Ms Swift, the industry and its creativity wins. Its literally just like with the MCU. While they both clearly boost the industry in terms of revenue, they completely derive it from quality and creativity.

Oh sister you spilled 

 

Now Bey and Gaga need to get back in the Pussywagon and save us from this mediocrity 

[DLW]

@Cloröx can you please add The Anthology on the thread name with its respective numbers? It's 69/100

 

https://www.metacritic.com/music/the-tortured-poets-department-the-anthology/taylor-swift/critic-reviews

 

@moderators if he doesn't do it, do it on his behalf.

 

 

 

Edited April 22 by DLW

[Moloko Plus]

32 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

You know how people (both Swifties and non-Swifties) are highly critical of Jack Antonoff's work? 
 

Even if we want to assume Bey had 0% to do with CC or Ren aside from providing vocals, I've never heard any of y'all make the case that any of the actual contributors to her albums did a bad job. 
 

Y'all pretend like Bey doesn't contribute to her art, but if that's the case, y'all would be calling out her contributors for creating bad art. But y'all don't do that…

First of all, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of someone with a Beyoncé avi policing the thread about "MCU's of music", creativity and authenticity when Beyoncé is an extremely manufactured, inauthentic cashcow (the same goes for Taylor). Are we really going to pretend Beyoncé is the pinnacle of originality and authenticity?

 

You're not seeing the case be made that her creative team did a 'bad job' at creating the album(s) because that's not what I'm claiming lol. Acknowledging the long-standing, credible rumors of Beyoncé taking advantage of the creatives around her =/= calling out her contributors for creating bad art. The two are not synonymous with one another.

Edited April 22 by Moloko Plus

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

5 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

And im SAT for more to come

 

 

So many Beyoncé fans liked your comment. Showing their true colors.

 

[Feanor]

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

The moment the (musical) world moves on from Ms Swift, the industry and its creativity wins. Its literally just like with the MCU. While they both clearly boost the industry in terms of revenue, they completely derive it from quality and creativity.

The industry that's been seeing record revenues year after year and has been more diverse than it has ever been before? That industry is already winning by having Ms Swift as its centerpiece figure during this new thriving phase, which is why the (musical) world felt it was justified to give Ms Swift its equivalent of a Best Picture Oscar 4-times and half a dozen universally acclaimed albums on top of that.

Has the movie industry embraced the MCU in a similar manner that it has even one Best Picture win?

 

 

Edited April 22 by Feanor

[Rotunda]

1 minute ago, Moloko Plus said:

First of all, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of someone with a Beyoncé avi policing the thread about "MCU's of music" and originality and authenticity when Beyoncé is an extremely manufactured, inauthentic cashcow (the same goes for Taylor). Are we really going to pretend Beyoncé is the pinnacle of originality and authenticity?

 

You're not seeing the case be made that her creative team did a 'bad job' at creating the album(s) because that's not what I'm claiming lol. Acknowledging the long-standing, credible rumors of Beyoncé taking advantage of the creatives around her =/= calling out her contributors for creating bad art. The two are not synonymous with one another.

I consider Beyoncé to be more of a team project than the work of an individual (which I think both her fans and haters agree). 
 

You stated that the art Beyoncé creates is analogous to MCU's contribution to film, in terms of it selling well but lacking creativity/quality, but that can't be true if you're actually quite impressed by the work of her collaborators, and only take issue with what you perceive to be the unfair process by which that art comes together.

[Blue Rose]

6 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

Are we really going to pretend Beyoncé is the pinnacle of originality and authenticity?

[G.U.Y.]

The Hoard is here for what? Taylor is not your fave's peer. Deal with it.

[feelslikeadream]

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

The moment the (musical) world moves on from Ms Swift, the industry and its creativity wins. Its literally just like with the MCU. While they both clearly boost the industry in terms of revenue, they completely derive it from quality and creativity.

I'm glad you agree Taylor's music is derived from quality and creativity, but then why would you advocate the world moving on from it

[Burn]

1 minute ago, G.U.Y. said:

The Hoard is here for what? Taylor is not your fave's peer. Deal with it.

Cowboy Carter release wasn't that long ago, we all remember you and that hideous avi in every CC thread.

 

[Rotunda]

1 minute ago, Feanor said:

The industry that's been seeing record revenues year after year and has been more diverse than it has ever been before? That industry is already winning by having Ms Swift as its centerpiece figure during this new thriving phase, which is why the (musical) world felt it was justified to give Ms Swift its equivalent of a Best Picture Oscar and half a dozen universally acclaimed albums on top of that.

Has the movie industry embraced the MCU in a similar manner that it has even one Best Picture win?

 

I think this is making the opposite point you're trying to make. The industry prioritizing safe/generic pop music in an era of unprecedented diversity (and from an artist who is genuinely capable of much greater excellence), is in fact the problem. 

[Blue Rose]

2 minutes ago, G.U.Y. said:

The Hoard is here for what? Taylor is not your fave's peer. Deal with it.

 

[Rotunda]

3 minutes ago, G.U.Y. said:

The Hoard is here for what? Taylor is not your fave's peer. Deal with it.

If you're going to start hiding behind Taylor/Swifties so that you can hate on Bey, the least you could do is cash in your reputation points and change your username.

[Kristie Kuwa]

4 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

I'm glad you agree Taylor's music is derived from quality and creativity, but then why would you advocate the world moving on from it

I missed the letter p in the word derive. Guess where it shouldve been placed 

 

[KOMH]

It keeps getting worse and worse. I knew Sputnik was not to be trusted 

 

[Jay07]

3 minutes ago, Feanor said:

The industry that's been seeing record revenues year after year and has been more diverse than it has ever been before? That industry is already winning by having Ms Swift as its centerpiece figure during this new thriving phase, which is why the (musical) world felt it was justified to give Ms Swift its equivalent of a Best Picture Oscar and half a dozen universally acclaimed albums on top of that.

Has the movie industry embraced the MCU in a similar manner that it has even one Best Picture win?

 

Not going to the AOTY well again. I looked this up after another Swiftie claimed Taylor will be looked upon like Joni Mitchell in the future (lol). You know how many AOTY Grammys Joni has? One and she got it in 2008, way after her creative peak. Taylor has 4. Does that mean Taylor is 4 times the artist Joni is? Joni never wrote about Travis Kelce playing GTA I guess. And that's that about using the racist Grammys as a metric for quality. 

[KOMH]

Her Solar Powder but with the success and good music

 

[Blue Rose]

6 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

I'm glad you agree Taylor's music is derived from quality and creativity, but then why would you advocate the world moving on from it

using context clues, it is obvious that user just made a typo and they meant deprive not derive 

[Shelter]

11 minutes ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

So many Beyoncé fans liked your comment. Showing their true colors.

 

But you don't care about bad reviews, right? you even made a thread about it. The Tortured Tummy Defartment 0.5 review didn't bother you? 
 

[Selfloathingpoet]

some tweets saying that some of the awful reviews are calculated or that they're being paid off... they just can't accept the album is mid.

[Moloko Plus]

5 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

I consider Beyoncé to be more of a team project than the work of an individual (which I think both her fans and haters agree). 
 

You stated that the art Beyoncé creates is analogous to MCU's contribution to film, in terms of it selling well but lacking creativity/quality, but that can't be true if you're actually quite impressed by the work of her collaborators, and only take issue with what you perceive to be the unfair process by which that art comes together.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of a Beyoncé stan for thinking they have any sort of room to call Taylor out for that when Beyoncé is just as - if not more - manufactured and inauthentic. Please.

 

If Taylor is analogous to the MCU then Beyoncé's output absolutely is as well. I don't know why you're attempting to have a gotcha moment with these if you believe x then y must be true theories that don't have anything to do with each other. I never stated I was impressed with any of Beyoncé's recent output, so yeah, I still do believe it's lacking quality/creativity 

[Burn]

1 minute ago, Selfloathingpoet said:

some tweets saying that some of the awful reviews are calculated or that they're being paid off... they just can't accept the album is mid.

So when people say the 100 score reviews are paid for the swiftys say it's a lie.

 

But when she gets low scores they say those must be paid for.

 

They're in shambles, they can't make up their minds.

 

[sunbathinganimal]

screaming at the multiple off-topic fights

 

[Apolonio ₃₄]

Not the drop to 77.

 

Was it the Pitchfork review?