Mandalore Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) I have a feeling some song titles on TTPD won't actually feature in their respective lyrics. Has she done that before? Edited February 8 by Mandalore
meredithbenson Posted February 8 Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Mandalore said: I have a feeling some song titles on TTPD won't actually feature in their respective lyrics. Has she done that before? mary's song & ronan
every1blinks Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Have some of you ever considered your expectations are too high for this human you'll either like the album or you won’t, and you’ll survive either way 2
State of Grace. Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) Yeah folklore is far away from being a folk album. Its definitely not synthpop in the way her previous 3 albums were, and the majority of it didn't follow the structure of straightforward Top 40 pop songs, but it was a perfect balance between both pop and alternative to me. Pop radio would never touch songs like epiphany, peace, hoax, mad woman, the last great american dynasty with a 10 ft pole. Let's not forget that cardigan technically tanked on radio. It went Top 15 on Pop iirc? But that's literally only based on her name/power. It wouldn't have cracked the Top 50 if it was released by someone else. I believe that willow is ultimately a "pop" song, but it feels less restrained than let's say...Lover (s) which came out barely a year earlier. There's also august, long story short, and gold rush but they're all still quite different from her capital P pop material. Edited February 8 by State of Grace. 4 4
cruelcooper Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Not people calling folklore a folk album just because it has “folk” in the title 2 1 2
Maroon legacy Posted February 8 Posted February 8 4 hours ago, mael said: Maroon is bottom 5 on MIDnights.... You spelled top 1 incorrectly, honey 2 2 1
Maroon legacy Posted February 8 Posted February 8 3 hours ago, Ger.vaz said: I have the feeling that this would be her Lover 2.0, she will try to make a better album and fail in the attempt. I just hope that this attitude about "don´t give a ****" is also represented in the album and that she can push her boundaries and try new sounds and NEW PRODUCERS! I really enjoyed Midnights but we need a new direction and that does not mean Folk music you all. She is so hated right now and the bar is up there. not when some of these titles already ended the whole Lover 1
Holiest Dreams Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Ruben said: Also, Pop literally means Popular. What was popular about 4-minute songs with no catchy hooks Shakesperean lyrics. What was popular in 2020 that resembled or sounded like folklore? This. Are we gonna pretend like Fleetwood Mac wasn’t considered pop back in the 70s, for example? She can go that route and it’ll still be ‘pop’ and she will absolutely dominate with that sound. 3
Popular Post Holiest Dreams Posted February 8 Popular Post Posted February 8 Also re: folklore debate, anyone calling it a pop album is severely delusional. Anything she releases will be labeled Pop because she’s…….. wait for it……. popular! It’s an alternative album, because it’s not really pop, not really folk, and not really rock. It’s just an album that leans into a bunch of genres without committing to being one specifically, and that’s why it falls under the alt umbrella. It’s also why it’s an amazing album. 16 3
Cruel Summer Posted February 8 Posted February 8 I think it’s important to note that virtually all of her music lives at least partially under the pop umbrella, but within the fanbase, when we talk about country or folk or alternative or other genres, we broadly know there’s an implied “-pop” appended (not for every track of course), unless we’re talking about “pure pop,” wherein I think it’s clear we mean non-country non-alternative radio-ready tracks (usually synthpop or electropop specifically, but not universally). That said, I would really love if she eventually did an album where there was no implicit pop modifier in the genre. I don’t necessarily expect it to be the one released when she’s at her ultimate career peak, but I wouldn’t be mad! 3
ariananext Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Top/great tier: folklore evermore Speak Now reputation Others: Midnights 1989 Red Lover/Fearless Debut
State of Grace. Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) And while we're at it, when I say that I want this album to be soft/alt-rock, I know damn well that it's still gonna have her pop sensibilities all over it since it all comes down to her songwriting/melodies. I'm also aware that she's a major artist at the end of the day and she'll never go full on experimental left field, but folklore/evermore was as great as it gets imo. I guess hope maybe when she's in her 50s/60s and the commercial success pressure/expectations are completely gone, she'll start churning out much more left field records. For now, I'll pray for folkmore lyricism with soft-rock production. Edited February 8 by State of Grace. 4
Timeless Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, cruelcooper said: Not people calling folklore a folk album just because it has “folk” in the title You can't deny that a lot of songs have folk (indie folk, folk pop, chamber folk, country folk) influences: the 1, cardigan, exile, seven, illicit affairs, invisible string, the lakes. Evermore has even more of this. Folkmore are certainly folk albums with sprinkles of dream pop and indie pop by Jack Antonoff Edited February 8 by Timeless
PaloSanto Posted February 8 Posted February 8 a year from now when it wins AOTY noone will give a **** about our initial expectations/disappointments for it after it smashed and snatched grammys
Timeless Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, PaloSanto said: a year from now when it wins AOTY noone will give a **** about our initial expectations/disappointments for it after it smashed and snatched grammys Well it's been over a year since Midnights and everyone is bashing still after it smashed and snatched grammys so
Cruel Summer Posted February 8 Posted February 8 I think I’m actually going to go a little crazy waiting to know what this album sounds like. My hype is like ten times what it was for Midnights and there’s not even a reason for it, I’m just ready The one thing I know won’t happen is not liking it. It’s not that I think she can do no wrong, but just that almost zero percent of her discography is something I don’t like. Taylor is literally the only artist anymore that I’d trust enough to preorder an album - maybe besides Lana, I guess. 2
Klein Posted February 8 Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: I think I’m actually going to go a little crazy waiting to know what this album sounds like. My hype is like ten times what it was for Midnights and there’s not even a reason for it, I’m just ready The one thing I know won’t happen is not liking it. It’s not that I think she can do no wrong, but just that almost zero percent of her discography is something I don’t like. Taylor is literally the only artist anymore that I’d trust enough to preorder an album - maybe besides Lana, I guess. I'm personally extremely grateful that we've been fed to no end since late 2022 because if we were in a drought I don't know how I would handle my anticipation for this album. There's just something about it that makes me so sure it's going to be beyond amazing, and I can't take it. 2
Twilish Posted February 8 Posted February 8 I thought I’d seen it all, and then i see maroon slander.. what in the tasteless.
enchanted0 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 I LOVE this cover. Her POWERFUL stance. The self-assertion. The way it just screams 'I KNOW I am the BADDEST b**ch in the world'. Ahhh, my ******* fave. 3 2
delugeional Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Midnights = Red The Tortured Poets Department = 1989 and some of you don’t understand that 4
Maroon legacy Posted February 8 Posted February 8 I consider folklore an alt pop. Compare this album to, for example, DYKTTATUOB. Taylor structures are more pop-like on most of her songs, even if the sound isn't a typycal synth pop. evermore is more alternative and unusual, but I still consider them both alt pop. It doesn't mean that they're pop albums, no. But bfr, they're definately not "alternative indie folk" records.
Maroon legacy Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, delugeional said: Midnights = Red The Tortured Poets Department = 1989 and some of you don’t understand that switch them and you will be right
Klein Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, delugeional said: Midnights = Red and some of you don’t understand that I most certainly don't understand that and I'm going to need an explanation.
Maroon legacy Posted February 8 Posted February 8 TTPD is Red + folklore + dark and mean tracks of Speak Now. She's gonna be HEARTBROKEN and POETIC and SARCASTIC
Timeless Posted February 8 Posted February 8 15 minutes ago, Maroon legacy said: I consider folklore an alt pop. Compare this album to, for example, DYKTTATUOB. Taylor structures are more pop-like on most of her songs, even if the sound isn't a typycal synth pop. evermore is more alternative and unusual, but I still consider them both alt pop. It doesn't mean that they're pop albums, no. But bfr, they're definately not "alternative indie folk" records. Alternative pop is what Melodrama is. Folkmore is defo not alt pop. It is more folk-pop if anything with elements of chamber folk, indie folk, country folk, etc. Idk why you guys are scared of the word "folk" it's not a bad thing I promise.
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