Klein Posted February 7 Posted February 7 And so it was not a joke, she finished Midnights and just kept writing and writing. Very interesting that she was still working on it throughout the tour. I love that we kinda have the entire timeline of the album making process.
Bebe the faceless Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Quote i just realized that taylor took her gloves off after announcing the tortured poets department. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!?!?! 1
meredithbenson Posted February 7 Posted February 7 i love taylor's music and the way that she made eras a thing. been a fan for a long time and it's very fun but lately, being a fan feels weird on a human level bc some of the things she's doing are despicable (like suing the college student, her crazy PR coverups, and her refusal to take any sort of political stance). i hate to say it but i'm starting to only like her music but not really like her. it's not a "she's overexposed" thing, it's a "she's a shady billionaire thing" i fear :/ 3 1 1 11
Maroon legacy Posted February 7 Posted February 7 8 minutes ago, Klein said: And so it was not a joke, she finished Midnights and just kept writing and writing. Very interesting that she was still working on it throughout the tour. I love that we kinda have the entire timeline of the album making process. I think she started working on the album before Midnights came out and finished it like Mid-2023. And when it was finished, she started working on TS12 already. Idk why but I feel like not all of her walks to the Electric Lady were for TS11, she probably started working on the new pop album right after finishing TTPD just how she started working on TTPD right after finishing Midnights.
Sweeftie13 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, meredithbenson said: i love taylor's music and the way that she made eras a thing. been a fan for a long time and it's very fun but lately, being a fan feels weird on a human level bc some of the things she's doing are despicable (like suing the college student, her crazy PR coverups, and her refusal to take any sort of political stance). i hate to say it but i'm starting to only like her music but not really like her. it's not a "she's overexposed" thing, it's a "she's a shady billionaire thing" i fear :/ In my opinion you read too many things online and are easily influenced by other people's ideas, try to really think about what YOU THINK about Taylor, not MAGA/OTH propaganda 3 7 1
Klein Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Just now, Sweeftie13 said: In my opinion you read too many things online and are easily influenced by other people's ideas, try to really think about what YOU THINK about Taylor, not MAGA/OTH propaganda And most importantly, I think she was her worst self around the 1989 era, so if you could stand that, I'm surprised you couldn't stand it recently. 1
meredithbenson Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sweeftie13 said: In my opinion you read too many things online and are easily influenced by other people's ideas, try to really think about what YOU THINK about Taylor, not MAGA/OTH propaganda i am saying what i think about her, i think some of the stuff she does should be criticized by the fan base other stuff, like her bringing lana up on stage at the grammy's, whatever. part of being famous is that you get unfairly criticized sometimes, and it does feel like there's lots of online nit-picking rn. but she is legit doing bigger shady things and she deserves flak for those you don't have to agree w me but i could say the same to you, think about what YOU THINK. do you really think it's okay for her to sue a college student and hide behind some lame excuse of stalking? Edited February 7 by meredithbenson 1 3
Holiest Dreams Posted February 7 Posted February 7 There’s no way some of y’all believe that snippet, which has been up for over a day now Plus her voice sounds extremely autotuned which doesn’t fit the production. Nah. 4
Dear Reader Posted February 7 Posted February 7 21 minutes ago, Bebe the faceless said: she wanted to show the white nails
Dear Reader Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Just now, Holiest Dreams said: There’s no way some of y’all believe that snippet, which has been up for over a day now Plus her voice sounds extremely autotuned which doesn’t fit the production. Nah. right? if it was real it would’ve been taken down in a couple of hours max 1
idkwiam Posted February 7 Posted February 7 12 minutes ago, meredithbenson said: i love taylor's music and the way that she made eras a thing. been a fan for a long time and it's very fun but lately, being a fan feels weird on a human level bc some of the things she's doing are despicable (like suing the college student, her crazy PR coverups, and her refusal to take any sort of political stance). i hate to say it but i'm starting to only like her music but not really like her. it's not a "she's overexposed" thing, it's a "she's a shady billionaire thing" i fear :/ I agree with many points of yours but definitely not political stance. It's not her duty to speak about world issues AND imo her speaking would do more harm than good. I stan a musician not a politician. Anyways let's hope that TTPD is not another Jack album. There are so many other great producers with whom she could release many other 10/10 songs which imo her last album lacks.
meredithbenson Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Just now, idkwiam said: I agree with many points of yours but definitely not political stance. It's not her duty to speak about world issues AND imo her speaking would do more harm than good. I stan a musician not a politician. Anyways let's hope that TTPD is not another Jack album. There are so many other great producers with whom she could release many other 10/10 songs which imo her last album lacks. agree with you in general that celebs can be apolitical, the reason why i think it's bad is that taylor made a huge point to "prove" she's political in the lover/miss americana period. like, come on 100% on jack too. my dream would be an illuminati hotties-produced album (boygenius producer) but no chance 2 1
Feetree Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Why does this 114k likes chile why is the GP in our family business 2
Dear Reader Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, idkwiam said: I agree with many points of yours but definitely not political stance. It's not her duty to speak about world issues AND imo her speaking would do more harm than good. I stan a musician not a politician. Anyways let's hope that TTPD is not another Jack album. There are so many other great producers with whom she could release many other 10/10 songs which imo her last album lacks. I’m 100% sure you’ll be disappointed 6
HappierJealousy Posted February 7 Posted February 7 18 minutes ago, meredithbenson said: i love taylor's music and the way that she made eras a thing. been a fan for a long time and it's very fun but lately, being a fan feels weird on a human level bc some of the things she's doing are despicable (like suing the college student, her crazy PR coverups, and her refusal to take any sort of political stance). i hate to say it but i'm starting to only like her music but not really like her. it's not a "she's overexposed" thing, it's a "she's a shady billionaire thing" i fear :/ 1. That “college student” is a crazy privileged rich white male stalker who owns his own jets as well. 2. She is taking photos with like 100 people that night, if you really believed she took the picture with Celine immediately after her speech is a part of her PR, or it’s her team that asked Lana and Celine to post something nice about her then you should just unstan her. 3. Before 2019 she barely spoke anything about political. 90% of A-list celebrities like Beyonce, Gaga, Rihanna, Drake, .etc didn’t say anything about Pakistan. And most of the rest such as Selena or Lana is now considered as “Zionist” by the internet. If this is a part of your standard then nobody in music industry worth your stan I fear 5 1
Sweeftie13 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, meredithbenson said: i am saying what i think about her, i think some of the stuff she does should be criticized by the fan base other stuff, like her bringing lana up on stage at the grammy's, whatever. part of being famous is that you get unfairly criticized sometimes, and it does feel like there's lots of online nit-picking rn. but she is legit doing bigger shady things and she deserves flak for those I honestly think Taylor was the least shady celebrity these days... Think about SZA's homophobic comments, Lady Gaga's endorsement of Drugs, how Doja treats her fans, Ariana Grande's betrayal, and all that history. While everything about Taylor is heavily discussed in the media because the intent is to destroy someone who is too big to be tolerated in the world of polarity where you are either black or white, or good bad. Remember that many of the accusations about Taylor are propaganda propaganda hype, why would Celine post photos of her and Taylor or speak fondly (as seen in some videos) AFTER the awards show? Because many willfully omit the fact that Taylor uses her private jet very little for personal reasons and that most of the trips made (and recorded by radar) were actually made by friends of hers to whom she lent the jet and where she didn't even there was (which is normal, if they detect the license plate of a car that is speeding, the owner of the car will be revealed, but only the person driving it will be charged). As for her political position, she may not be moved to speak out for one CRUCIAL reason: • She has a very high risk of an attempt on her life, because political extremism will do everything to destroy its enemy, politics is very dangerous and this is no longer like 5 years ago, they literally attacked the White House, they won't do it problems killing an unfavorable public figure 5
idkwiam Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, meredithbenson said: agree with you in general that celebs can be apolitical, the reason why i think it's bad is that taylor made a huge point to "prove" she's political in the lover/miss americana period. like, come on 100% on jack too. my dream would be an illuminati hotties-produced album (boygenius producer) but no chance Well she wasn't in her right mindset I fear in the Lover era. 2 minutes ago, Dear Reader said: I’m 100% sure you’ll be disappointed I hope Luois Bell worked on the Post Malone track Edited February 7 by idkwiam
Maroon legacy Posted February 7 Posted February 7 13 minutes ago, meredithbenson said: i love taylor's music and the way that she made eras a thing. been a fan for a long time and it's very fun but lately, being a fan feels weird on a human level bc some of the things she's doing are despicable (like suing the college student, her crazy PR coverups, and her refusal to take any sort of political stance). i hate to say it but i'm starting to only like her music but not really like her. it's not a "she's overexposed" thing, it's a "she's a shady billionaire thing" i fear :/ 1) she didn't suied him, she just send the "please stop" letter and it's not just a poor college student, he's rich and also flyies private jets. 2) there are a lot of different A+ artists that makes music with a songwriting and producers camp, not speaking on foreign countries politics, flying private jets a lot and doing all the things Taylor's doing but NO ONE gives a **** about it, 'cause they're not as succesful as Taylor. It's the same as her in the original 1989 era, 'cause when a woman is succesful, society wants to make her problematic. 3
meredithbenson Posted February 7 Posted February 7 ok everyone! good points! i'm not an OTH i'm a big swiftie, but i should know better than to criticize taylor on a taylor ATRL thread 💀 love you all 2
Nein Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I want TTPD to be as angsty as fvvvvvvck. I'm claiming "I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)"
idkwiam Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Just now, meredithbenson said: ok everyone! good points! i'm not an OTH i'm a big swiftie, but i should know better than to criticize taylor on a taylor ATRL thread 💀 love you all Certain Swifties love to drag everyone who doesn't lick Taylor's ass 24/7 so don't worry. But I guess every base has those types of stans
Holiest Dreams Posted February 7 Posted February 7 8 minutes ago, meredithbenson said: do you really think it's okay for her to sue a college student and hide behind some lame excuse of stalking? I’m not even sure where to begin here… 1. She didn’t sue the student, she sent a cease and desist letter to him. There’s a huge difference. 2. This poor, helpless college student (Jack Sweeney) is literally on Forbes 30 Under 30 and has photos on his own social media flying private jets. He befriended Mark Cuban (much worse carbon polluter than Taylor, who’s not even top 30) in exchange for him to stop posting about his flights. 3. It is not a lame excuse. He doesn’t care about her carbon emissions, he is a stalker tracking her whereabouts at any given moment - and not only that but the whereabouts of her friends, family, friends of her friends, and any jet he foolishly suspects is ‘one of Taylors’. There is absolutely NO reason to post her location in real time, and he doesn’t even post anything about her carbon emissions. On official websites, such as https://carbontracker.myclimate.org/ (where she’s, once again, not even top 30) they do not list personal information of anyone listed here. 4. She’s been the same person she has ALWAYS been. Yes, she’s a very rich celebrity and not without flaws. But nothing about her recent actions is any different than years ago. But probably the most concerning thing is… what does any of this have to do with The Tortured Poets Department? Or do we have to deal with (supposed) Swifties making up stuff about her character too in topics where it doesn’t really belong? 11
kayliah Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I feel like the lead is coming this friday too. The 3 heart emojis means 3 so 3 days i guess. The world is ready for another Taylor banger i fear. She is going to break so many records with this album. 2+ million debut guaranteed. She has surpassed sinatra,wonder and her 2 billion tour validates her legend status at only 34. Wow just wow. Nobody is touching her for decades to come. 1
Maroon legacy Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sweeftie13 said: I honestly think Taylor was the least shady celebrity these days... Think about SZA's homophobic comments, Lady Gaga's endorsement of Drugs, how Doja treats her fans, Ariana Grande's betrayal, and all that history. While everything about Taylor is heavily discussed in the media because the intent is to destroy someone who is too big to be tolerated in the world of polarity where you are either black or white, or good bad. Remember that many of the accusations about Taylor are propaganda propaganda hype, why would Celine post photos of her and Taylor or speak fondly (as seen in some videos) AFTER the awards show? Because many willfully omit the fact that Taylor uses her private jet very little for personal reasons and that most of the trips made (and recorded by radar) were actually made by friends of hers to whom she lent the jet and where she didn't even there was (which is normal, if they detect the license plate of a car that is speeding, the owner of the car will be revealed, but only the person driving it will be charged). As for her political position, she may not be moved to speak out for one CRUCIAL reason: • She has a very high risk of an attempt on her life, because political extremism will do everything to destroy its enemy, politics is very dangerous and this is no longer like 5 years ago, they literally attacked the White House, they won't do it problems killing an unfavorable public figure yeah like there's A TON of shady facts on every celebrity, but people are coming for Taylor 'cause she didn't make enough eye contact with Celine lmao. And when she's doing EVERYTHING to be the good person in the public eye, people call it "calculated PR compaign". Like what the fffk is she supposed to do to be good? HUH? Edited February 7 by Maroon legacy 3
Mandalore Posted February 7 Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, meredithbenson said: do you really think it's okay for her to sue a college student and hide behind some lame excuse of stalking? Not only is this fake news but you seem to be lacking basic empathy. It's not that you don't like her as a person, I'm gonna go beyond and say you don't view her as a person at all. Also, this is an album discussion thread so I don't think people come here expecting to go through these weird self-indulgent moral high-ground rants about you not really liking this "billionaire". You won't get a cookie or human rights award for it. I'm sure there are a lot places where this sort of stuff will get you the support and validation you crave so I suggest going there and not derailing this thread for the rest of us. 3
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