Squall Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 minute ago, Monster Queen said: Then you wake up I choose to trust my wildest dreams
ATRL Moderator bluebirdsforever Posted April 7 ATRL Moderator Posted April 7 The way it still hasn’t fully sunk in that we’re getting a Taylor/Florence collab in less than two weeks… I privately thought that Would’ve Could’ve Should’ve sounded spiritually indebted to her somehow (the percussion / instrumental and religious imagery especially) but never in my wildest dreams did I think they’d actually release a song together Praying Florence has a writing credit and that its a real duet 11
Klein Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, bluebirdsforever said: The way it still hasn't fully sunk in that we're getting a Taylor/Florence collab in less than two weeks… I privately thought that Would've Could've Should've sounded spiritually indebted to her somehow (the percussion / instrumental and religious imagery especially) but never in my wildest dreams did I think they'd actually release a song together Praying Florence has a writing credit and that its a real duet Well if this album is in the realm of Would've Could've Should've I think it'll officially be her best album ever. Thank you for this level of delusion you gave me 1
Magickarp Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Probably unpopular, but manifesting debut Florence so we can get a punk rock track. But anything HBHBHB, or before is fine. 2
folkloreking Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 hour ago, PoisonedIvy said: What? It's Sunday, which means this is the last -full- week in which TTPD will not be released Yes, I mean that after today, you can technically refer to any day of the week starting with Monday the 15th as "next week". It's cope to make the album seem closer. 1 1
mael Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Magickarp said: Probably unpopular, but manifesting debut Florence so we can get a punk rock track. But anything HBHBHB, or before is fine. Please no, if I wanted this I would go and listen to that Olivia girl Edited April 7 by mael 2
Monster Queen Posted April 7 Posted April 7 A very reliable source said the album is completely different from Midnights, and it's not radio-friendly, the main producer is Jack
wastedpotential Posted April 7 Posted April 7 7 hours ago, Cruel Summer said: I've never liked Don't You, but I think that's more a consequence of its lyrics and the lyrical melodies being - for me personally - very, very weak for Fearless era. The admittedly rather Antonoff'd soundscape itself is actually good - and very similar to ATW10 and that live cover of Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow. I could get very into an album that feels like that. This is honestly a connection I'd never put together before, but you're absolutely right - Don't You is a sonic cousin to WYSLMT, and that's a sonic concept album I think Taylor could nail at any point in the next two decades. Fearless is an album of flawless melodies across the board (probably her most consistently best album in that regard), and the most of the vault tracks just don't live up to that. YAOM is a slog, MPF is a bit too one note, WWH is actually great melodically in the verses but the chorus isn't anything special), and Don't You is formless. The best vault tracks by far (and I'm sure there's someone who disagrees but they can go argue with a wall for all I care because I know I'm right) are That's When and BBB because they most closely resemble the tight and clever melodic choices made across the original album
wastedpotential Posted April 7 Posted April 7 7 hours ago, Cruel Summer said: New turbo-unhinged crack theory because I'm super bored: Six Sister Theory. Hide contents The name is derived from the fact that Folklore and Evermore are explicitly sister albums, and form the middle set of sister records. Let's start there and make some simple assumptions: first, that Folklore and Evermore are intentionally similar in theme, sound, aesthetic, and subject matter; second, that more of the songs on those records are autobiographical in nature than Taylor initially let on, and showcase some of her feelings during the middle of her then-current relationship (see in particular tracks like Tolerate It). These aren't really unpopular opinions among Swifties here from what I can tell. What I'd then go further and say is that Midnights, whether intentionally conceived as such or not, ultimately serves as a foil - a "sister" - to Lover. The latter was the first album in which Taylor was overtly loud and proud about her relationship with Joe, but crucially not the first album about that relationship in general (I'll come back to that). It was a celebratory record, the title saying literally everything about what it addressed, with the obvious occasional side quest track like Soon You'll Get Better. Midnights, in contrast, was similarly pop in genre and used similar colors and aesthetics, but represented the slow and steady breakdown of the same relationship that Lover celebrated. Rather than simply showing the cracks in the foundation more clearly, it showcased a clear trajectory toward a complete end, its Target bonus track and later its From The Vault track representing the finality of that ending. These two albums, like Folklore and Evermore, therefore form a kind of pair - less intentional, less explicit, but very clear in their thematic contrasts and sonic similarities. Note here that a few of us were calling Midnights some variation of "The Archer: The Album" upon release, because it seemed to take several sonic cues from that track and similar productions. While I don't think she literally said "hey let's make a whole album that sounds kinda like this song,” I do think that this is a consequence of The Archer - a song explicitly about her fears and anxieties - coming from a very similar place as much of Midnights. So we've established a bit of an arc now. Two central sister albums, surrounded on both sides by two other studio albums that form an implicit pair, all addressing the same relationship to some extent or another, a little more or a little less each. But as I mentioned before, Lover isn't actually where that relationship started - and since a human reaction to a relationship's end is reflection and grief, Midnights isn't actually where it ends. The relationship started with Reputation, most of which is about that relationship, and much of which has a now-familiar synth pop sound. Think of songs like King of My Heart, or Delicate, for example. But above all else, think of the album's most straightforward statement about her relationship at that time: Call It What You Want, which I would argue is a clear predecessor to The Archer and most of Midnights in its general sound. But unlike those, it doesn't come from a place of anxiety or fear or uncertainty - it offers a relatively singular sense of self-assuredness among Taylor's songs about her relationships. I would like to put forward the theory that The Tortured Poets Department will serve as a foil to Reputation, more intentionally perhaps than Midnights did to Lover, and as the final entry in a six-studio-album-long arc - the aforementioned Six Sisters. TTPD will contrast the grief in the death of a relationship and dealing with the aftermath in the public eye with Reputation's focus on a new relationship being experienced in near-total privacy. I think if it takes any sonic cues from Reputation, it will take them specifically from Call It What You Want. This is partially because I posit that it's the original thread for the sound that became Midnights (please ignore that songs like OOTW also exist). But also, it's my favorite song on Reputation, and The Archer was my favorite on Lover! Coincidence? Of course not because then my theory wouldn't work! I also think that the titles have always given Reputation a little bit, with some of them a little more direct and punchy like This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things or I Did Something Bad. Another element to support the idea is the color scheme of the era - a white heart to contrast the black of Reputation, the white and black Grammy outfit, the black fingernail that we all thought hinted at a Reputation announcement, the sepia tones of the covers ending with a near-black shade. We can even take it a little further - we initially thought when her website went haywire around the announcement that Reputation TV was imminent, but a sneaky bit of code explicitly said "red herring" at the time - Reputation TV being the red herring for TTPD. These albums are intrinsically linked thematically, both in the ways I described above, and also in that they must inherently be so as they appear to address the beginning and end of the same relationship. TL;DR: TTPD will intentionally contrast Reputation and will sound like Call It What You Want. I will take no questions and I'm not actually even sure I believe any of this but it was like 1 AM and I was bored and I'm falling apart because we still have like 12 days to go wastedpotential reacted "Like" to your post in "Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'" 1
scottstreet Posted April 7 Posted April 7 I am rooting for Jack to be absent from this album but if he is the main producer and serves a masterpiece, trust I will be eating my words and giving him a big old sloopy. 1
Monster Queen Posted April 7 Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, scottstreet said: I am rooting for Jack to be absent from this album but if he is the main producer and serves a masterpiece, trust I will be eating my words and giving him a big old sloopy. He is the main producer for all of her album in the rest of her life
scottstreet Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Just now, Monster Queen said: He is the main producer for all of her album in the rest of her life We'll see about that. 1 5
wastedpotential Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 hour ago, 19SLAYty9 said: Kind of insane how all the songs Joe had a songwriting credit on are featured in the playlists… wonder if her giving him credits on these songs was her being shady For Sweet Nothing it almost surely was
19SLAYty9 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 27 minutes ago, Monster Queen said: A very reliable source said the album is completely different from Midnights, and it's not radio-friendly, the main producer is Jack The voices in ur head don't count 1
Monster Queen Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 minute ago, 19SLAYty9 said: The voices in ur head don't count I mean it is extremly reliable which is a very good sign 1
vale9001 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) in the italian tv special yesterday they made an interview to the american sociologist Lisa Levengstein. She explained everything perfctly imo. She said first of all Taylor has this kind of success first of all cause people really like her music and she's a great songwriter, without that no success, then her brand is perfect and something new cause she turned the idea of femininity as frivolous to something has a meaning and a depth. She is not afraid to talk about her art as something is important like the one of her male colleagues and without tryng to have a not feminine image to became credible to their eyes. She's not ashamed to be for women and has never changed her image to satisfy in some form the male gaze. honestly spilled. Edited April 7 by vale9001 3
Nein Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 hour ago, bluebirdsforever said: The way it still hasn't fully sunk in that we're getting a Taylor/Florence collab in less than two weeks… I privately thought that Would've Could've Should've sounded spiritually indebted to her somehow (the percussion / instrumental and religious imagery especially) but never in my wildest dreams did I think they'd actually release a song together Praying Florence has a writing credit and that its a real duet When it serves "Hey Girl" from Toucanne and then what? 1
Faniquita Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Why's no one talking about the channel 13 thing? Today we'll get some tea about TTPD
Monster Queen Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 minute ago, vale9001 said: When only three songs from TPSD debut higher than 280 points then what
vale9001 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Just now, Monster Queen said: When only three songs from TPSD debut higher than 280 points then what then all the top 3 occupied 1
KatyPrismSpirit Posted April 7 Posted April 7 i hope she does a local release for the first time in her career. i dont wanna wake up at 6AM again like i did with 1989 TV and Midnights (and folkevermore) chile
Magickarp Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 hour ago, mael said: Please no, if I wanted this I would go and listen to that Olivia girl I just cannot see her thin voice on a stereotypical Florence song. I can definitely see her on Hey Girl tho... Even the lyrics are very Lover (TTPD 1.0) coded. Super direct, unclever, transparent, tryhard, girl power activist. Help me hold my hair back Walk me home 'cause I can't find a cab And we dance down The Bowery Held hands like we were 17 again Also Kiss With A Fist >>>> any sing by that Olivia girl
Klein Posted April 7 Posted April 7 6 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: i hope she does a local release for the first time in her career. i dont wanna wake up at 6AM again like i did with 1989 TV and Midnights (and folkevermore) chile You'll have to wait a long time before she gives anything to anyone before the US.
Magickarp Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Hey girl, hey girl We don't need to keep on one-in' up another Hey girl, hey girl Hey girl, hey girl If you lose your way Just know that I got you Soon, you'll get better Ooh-ah Soon, you'll get better Ooh-ah You'll get better soon 'Cause you have to Oh it's coming. Should've know from the title + Scott's taste alone 1
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