Kitboga Posted April 7 Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said: 1. Higher than 1989 lower than Midnights 2. 18M 2. 1M I'd rather be wrong and get GAGGED. i dont understand this whole "gotta keep it safe so it doesnt backfire" mentality. . youre in a fans only thread not an open thread firstly, secondly, shes so much bigger now than even 2022 that its clear she will outdo midnights on every level, so yea, idk why you guys would "keep it safe" lol.
vale9001 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kitboga said: i dont understand this whole "gotta keep it safe so it doesnt backfire" mentality. . youre in a fans only thread not an open thread firstly, secondly, shes so much bigger now than even 2022 that its clear she will outdo midnights on every level, so yea, idk why you guys would "keep it safe" lol. I don't keep it safe. Definitely will outstream midnights first day but your numbers are still too high. While no One noticed Skip now karaoke version 1989 was very big and released only 6 months ago. Still going to beat midnights but It's not 100% correct imo to say this is the first album after midnights, the release of 1989 and Skip now in part could damage a little bit. Edited April 7 by vale9001
Cruel Summer Posted April 7 Posted April 7 New turbo-unhinged crack theory because I'm super bored: Six Sister Theory. Spoiler The name is derived from the fact that Folklore and Evermore are explicitly sister albums, and form the middle set of sister records. Let's start there and make some simple assumptions: first, that Folklore and Evermore are intentionally similar in theme, sound, aesthetic, and subject matter; second, that more of the songs on those records are autobiographical in nature than Taylor initially let on, and showcase some of her feelings during the middle of her then-current relationship (see in particular tracks like Tolerate It). These aren't really unpopular opinions among Swifties here from what I can tell. What I'd then go further and say is that Midnights, whether intentionally conceived as such or not, ultimately serves as a foil - a "sister" - to Lover. The latter was the first album in which Taylor was overtly loud and proud about her relationship with Joe, but crucially not the first album about that relationship in general (I'll come back to that). It was a celebratory record, the title saying literally everything about what it addressed, with the obvious occasional side quest track like Soon You'll Get Better. Midnights, in contrast, was similarly pop in genre and used similar colors and aesthetics, but represented the slow and steady breakdown of the same relationship that Lover celebrated. Rather than simply showing the cracks in the foundation more clearly, it showcased a clear trajectory toward a complete end, its Target bonus track and later its From The Vault track representing the finality of that ending. These two albums, like Folklore and Evermore, therefore form a kind of pair - less intentional, less explicit, but very clear in their thematic contrasts and sonic similarities. Note here that a few of us were calling Midnights some variation of "The Archer: The Album" upon release, because it seemed to take several sonic cues from that track and similar productions. While I don't think she literally said "hey let's make a whole album that sounds kinda like this song,” I do think that this is a consequence of The Archer - a song explicitly about her fears and anxieties - coming from a very similar place as much of Midnights. So we've established a bit of an arc now. Two central sister albums, surrounded on both sides by two other studio albums that form an implicit pair, all addressing the same relationship to some extent or another, a little more or a little less each. But as I mentioned before, Lover isn't actually where that relationship started - and since a human reaction to a relationship's end is reflection and grief, Midnights isn't actually where it ends. The relationship started with Reputation, most of which is about that relationship, and much of which has a now-familiar synth pop sound. Think of songs like King of My Heart, or Delicate, for example. But above all else, think of the album's most straightforward statement about her relationship at that time: Call It What You Want, which I would argue is a clear predecessor to The Archer and most of Midnights in its general sound. But unlike those, it doesn't come from a place of anxiety or fear or uncertainty - it offers a relatively singular sense of self-assuredness among Taylor's songs about her relationships. I would like to put forward the theory that The Tortured Poets Department will serve as a foil to Reputation, more intentionally perhaps than Midnights did to Lover, and as the final entry in a six-studio-album-long arc - the aforementioned Six Sisters. TTPD will contrast the grief in the death of a relationship and dealing with the aftermath in the public eye with Reputation's focus on a new relationship being experienced in near-total privacy. I think if it takes any sonic cues from Reputation, it will take them specifically from Call It What You Want. This is partially because I posit that it's the original thread for the sound that became Midnights (please ignore that songs like OOTW also exist). But also, it's my favorite song on Reputation, and The Archer was my favorite on Lover! Coincidence? Of course not because then my theory wouldn't work! I also think that the titles have always given Reputation a little bit, with some of them a little more direct and punchy like This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things or I Did Something Bad. Another element to support the idea is the color scheme of the era - a white heart to contrast the black of Reputation, the white and black Grammy outfit, the black fingernail that we all thought hinted at a Reputation announcement, the sepia tones of the covers ending with a near-black shade. We can even take it a little further - we initially thought when her website went haywire around the announcement that Reputation TV was imminent, but a sneaky bit of code explicitly said "red herring" at the time - Reputation TV being the red herring for TTPD. These albums are intrinsically linked thematically, both in the ways I described above, and also in that they must inherently be so as they appear to address the beginning and end of the same relationship. TL;DR: TTPD will intentionally contrast Reputation and will sound like Call It What You Want. I will take no questions and I'm not actually even sure I believe any of this but it was like 1 AM and I was bored and I'm falling apart because we still have like 12 days to go 6
Brooklyn Baby Posted April 7 Posted April 7 What if Kitboga is BrandNewBrandon, now disguising himself as a Swiftie 2
OnlyManInTheWorld Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Don't You is the best vault track thanks to its production.
HappierJealousy Posted April 7 Posted April 7 5 minutes ago, Diesel is Desire said: What if Kitboga is BrandNewBrandon, now disguising himself as a Swiftie I think you're right 1
OnlyManInTheWorld Posted April 7 Posted April 7 40 minutes ago, Kitboga said: i dont understand this whole "gotta keep it safe so it doesnt backfire" mentality. . youre in a fans only thread not an open thread firstly, secondly, shes so much bigger now than even 2022 that its clear she will outdo midnights on every level, so yea, idk why you guys would "keep it safe" lol. Then don't keep it safe and admit Lover is THAT *****. 1
OnlyManInTheWorld Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Let's celebrate the anxiety anthem: I hope I never lose you, hope it never ends I'd never walk Cornelia Street again That's the kind of heartbreak time could never mend I'd never walk Cornelia Street again And baby, I get mystified by how this city screams your name And baby, I'm so terrified of if you ever walk away I'd never walk Cornelia Street again
queenoftheclouds Posted April 7 Posted April 7 5 minutes ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said: Don't You is the best vault track thanks to its production. Not with it's 1989 production
Brooklyn Baby Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Fearless vaults ranked: Mr. Perfectly Fine Don't You That's When You All Over Me Bye Bye Baby We Were Happy
Heldenzeit Posted April 7 Posted April 7 X is talking about signed records coming, now I'm scared to leave my pc.
Heldenzeit Posted April 7 Posted April 7 2 hours ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said: I've been 100% sober for the last 2 weeks and I just want to let y'all know Lover is her biggest, best and signature album. Well, start drinking again! 5
Post Malone Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Boppy Ass Sing will be Vigilante **** 2.0 and we love to see it
Nein Posted April 7 Posted April 7 17 minutes ago, Heldenzeit said: X is talking about signed records coming, now I'm scared to leave my pc. NOOOOOOO Don't do this to me. Now I'm worried too.
Arrows Posted April 7 Posted April 7 24 minutes ago, Post Malone said: Boppy Ass Sing will be Vigilante **** 2.0 and we love to see it I don't dress for women I don't dress for men I'm guilty as sin again 1
Taylor fanboy Posted April 7 Posted April 7 2 hours ago, vale9001 said: I don't keep it safe. Definitely will outstream midnights first day but your numbers are still too high. While no One noticed Skip now karaoke version 1989 was very big and released only 6 months ago. Still going to beat midnights but It's not 100% correct imo to say this is the first album after midnights, the release of 1989 and Skip now in part could damage a little bit. Saying it will outstream 1989 TV and selling 1M is not playing it safe. I said I wanna gag, I wanna choke.
Sweeftie13 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said: Saying it will outstream 1989 TV and selling 1M is not playing it safe. I said I wanna gag, I wanna choke. yes, however, re-recordings never compromise the performances of Taylor's albums, at most they bring positive effects by broadening the fan base
mael Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 hours ago, GAGAISTHEBESTYA said: The way She thought She could fool us with this Fearless "from the vault" track, yeah sure baby, uh(in ME! cadence)
vale9001 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said: Saying it will outstream 1989 TV and selling 1M is not playing it safe. I said I wanna gag, I wanna choke. It is when 1939 karaoke version sold 1.7M with just 5 original songs and the streams collapsing (in comparison to midnights) after the day 2.
Brooklyn Baby Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Oh when did yall start accepting that most of the TVs were karaoke versions? Spoiler especially 1989 TV 2
State of Grace. Posted April 7 Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, Diesel is Desire said: Oh when did yall start accepting that most of the TVs were karaoke versions? Reveal hidden contents especially 1989 TV The gag is... Spoiler I still haven't listened to 1989 TV in full, only the vaults and Style/Opus of the Woods/Blank Space/I Know Places. I just have zero interest in doing it 2 1
Hunter_13 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 54 minutes ago, mael said: The way She thought She could fool us with this Fearless "from the vault" track, yeah sure baby, uh(in ME! cadence) It is a Fearless demo. There's literally a piano demo out there. Now obviously she changed the production on it but her vault tracks are actually vaults
Brooklyn Baby Posted April 7 Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: The gag is... Hide contents I still haven't listened to 1989 TV in full, only the vaults and Style/Opus of the Woods/Blank Space/I Know Places. I just have zero interest in doing it The only 1989 TV rerecorded songs I can manage listening to are Clean, This Love, and Wildest Dreams And I hate two of the vaults because they sound like MID rehashes/rejects Spoiler Also since we're on the subject of rerecordings... Kinda perched for the meltdowns here from rep stans when they finally hear the Christopher Rowe versions of Ready for It?, IDSB, and Don't Blame Me 1 1
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