album Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'

[State of Grace.]

12 minutes ago, By the Water said:

I think some of you are forgetting that the 3am tracks performed much worse than the rest of the album. This having 16 tracks upon release is actually an advantage it has over Midnights

I still kinda hate her for sabotaging the 3AM tracks streams like that. Why not include them from the beginning blondie

 

[Maroon legacy]

18 minutes ago, Burqa said:

i do think midnights was her peak 

im afraid weve seen millions of tweets this year saying they're tired of her

People who are tired of her are usually the same people who never cared for her. Midnights can't be her peak, she has become much bigger in 2023 and it's all leading to her new peak which is TTPD. Maybe by the time we will be getting TS12 people would really become a bit tired, but definately not now.

Edited March 10 by Maroon legacy

[Arrows]

22 minutes ago, omrimayo said:

That’s very hard, 4 tracks less it is a difference, she needs 11.6 EACH track at least to break that record.

 

19 minutes ago, omrimayo said:

This. I really think around 155-160M 

will be the number which is around 10M on average.

 

17 minutes ago, By the Water said:

I think some of you are forgetting that the 3am tracks performed much worse than the rest of the album. This having 16 tracks upon release is actually an advantage it has over Midnights

Midnights (standard edition) did 12.4 million on average with 13 tracks. The 3AM did way less, only around 3 million on average.

 

Let’s assume TTPD does the same on average as the Midnights standard edition - that would already bring it to 198 million. 

Edited March 10 by Arrows

[wastedpotential]

Y'all need to keep in mind that Midnights' debut was really 161M from the standard 13 tracks and then 25M from the 3am tracks. Please please recall that the worst performer on Midnights standard was Mastermind, which debuted over 9.1M. The average of the Midnights standard tracks was nearly 12.5M. Assuming that her significant increase in fame from the tour and from Travis and from TaylorMania in general has ZERO impact on her numbers, and assuming that all of the haters who are tired of Taylor aren't engaged in at least one curiosity stream, TTPD would still clear 198M. Now, that's obviously ludicrous because Taylor has obviously grown interest in her music substantially (and especially internationally) since the release of Midnights, which is why anyone with an iota of knowledge in how these things works is assured that she will demolish the Midnights debut. Some of y'all need to bust out that calculator and go back to remedial math class. 

 

Still, it would be much appreciated from those of us who can do math for you to find somewhere else to baselessly fret about her numbers so we can get back to celebrating the incoming TayAnnihilation

 

[Holiest Dreams]

40 minutes ago, TaylenaStan said:

When TTPD debuts with 320M streams (20M/track average) 


 

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 around 200-220M is not that unrealistic (so around 12.5-13M average per track)

 

200M or a bit over (210-220M maybe) is what I’m expecting… like yeah the ppl that are saying 250M+ are being overzealous, but I’d be shocked if this doesn’t at least narrowly outdo Mid 

 

21 minutes ago, omrimayo said:

That’s very hard, 4 tracks less it is a difference, she needs 11.6 EACH track at least to break that record.

The 3AM tracks bombed. The standard Midnights did 161M, so it would only need to do 25M more with three extra tracks. There’s no way this debuts with a lower average than the Midnights standard edition, so yeah, I don’t see any scenario in which she doesn’t break it  

 

Also are we seriously taking tweets from people who have always hated her into consideration here? Come on y’all. She is more popular than ever before. 

[wastedpotential]

20 minutes ago, Burqa said:

i do think midnights was her peak 

im afraid weve seen millions of tweets this year saying they're tired of her

nnnnn now good sis, I think you misunderstand these people if you aren't considering that they will break their ******* heels running to Spotify on release night, even if for no other reason than to check out the new project from the ***** they hate 

 

THOTS stream Taylor at similar rates to the most obsessed TayLovers on this website (usually greater, since they're often not employed and have all that free time [though they only have free Spotify, and thus they count less toward the BB200]) 

 

[By the Water]

8 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

I still kinda hate her for sabotaging the 3AM tracks streams like that. Why not include them from the beginning blondie

 

Chart performance aside, that was such a moment though. Trying to process 13 new songs and being hit with 7 more

 

 

I still remember listening to TGW for the first time trying to process it all

 

[torontowest91]

maybe shes rehearsing her new eras segment with the new album 

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

200M or a bit over (210-220M maybe) is what I’m expecting… like yeah the ppl that are saying 250M+ are being overzealous, but I’d be shocked if this doesn’t at least narrowly outdo Mid 

 

See, I'm not totally sure if I can pencil out an overarching prediction, because there are different streaming demographics that have grown at different rates. For instance, I have.a feeling that whatever the focus tracks are (the equivalent to AH, LH, and SOTB) will see an even greater increase in % growth than the rest of the tracks, just because she's reached the point where literally everybody (bar diehard rap/country fans) will at least want to check out the top 2/3 tracks, just because they'll be topics of conversation. The rest of the album will also be up, but probably not to the same degree. For instance, whatever ends up being the lead might even end up over 25M (just based on peak figures from AIWFC last year nnnn), and I think 1 or 2 other tracks could end up above 20M, but I also think the lowest of the 16 tracks might be in the 10-10.5M range. I guess the rest of the streaming depends on first-listen retention throughout the duration of the album (which, I think will probably be lower than Midnights given that I don't think TTPD will be as universally pop in its appeal; though this has more positive implications for its longevity as people discover the album with time), but I tentatively think we'll see the average track debut end up somewhere 15M (so, ~240M total). 

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, By the Water said:

Chart performance aside, that was such a moment though. Trying to process 13 new songs and being hit with 7 more

 

 

I still remember listening to TGW for the first time trying to process it all

 

I vividly remember being about 2/3rds of the way through my second legal listen through the album, and all of a sudden my phone was blowing up and I was on the floor 

 

[By the Water]

Taylor's celebrity status has skyrocketed in the US since Midnights came out and her overall popularity is still growing in places like mainland Europe. I mean, 1989 TV did more streams outside the US than Midnights, YLM did almost 7M in 12h despite the fact that most people had already heard the song months before

 

[State of Grace.]

6 minutes ago, By the Water said:

Chart performance aside, that was such a moment though. Trying to process 13 new songs and being hit with 7 more

 

 

I still remember listening to TGW for the first time trying to process it all

 

Oh absolutely. It was CHAOTIC in the best way. I was just whelmed with the standard album tbh and still recovering from my meltdowns after the leak, only for her to hit us with WCS, TGW, High Infidelity, and Dear Reader.

 

Never switched faster in my life.

 

Edited March 10 by State of Grace.

[wastedpotential]

Just now, By the Water said:

Taylor's celebrity status has skyrocketed in the US since Midnights came out and her overall popularity is still growing in places like mainland Europe. I mean, 1989 TV did more streams outside the US than Midnights, YLM did almost 7M in 12h despite the fact that most people had already heard the song months before

 

It seems like some are conveniently forgetting that Taylor played for almost a million people in Latin America (home to two of the three largest Spotify markets, both of which are increasing rapidly) and quintupled her recurrent streams there 

 

[By the Water]

I know some of you have no self control but not listening to leaks was such a great decision. I just know I'll have to avoid this thread in a few weeks

 

[vale9001]

In most countries, especially Europe, this will beat any streaming record not only for her. 

I can't tell if It's gonna be bigger than Midnights in like the whole first year, depends on the kind of album It Is, but the first week It's gonna be bigger.

Edited March 10 by vale9001

[vale9001]

38 minutes ago, Burqa said:

i do think midnights was her peak 

im afraid weve seen millions of tweets this year saying they're tired of her

1989 was released last week 

[Arrows]

6 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

See, I'm not totally sure if I can pencil out an overarching prediction, because there are different streaming demographics that have grown at different rates. For instance, I have.a feeling that whatever the focus tracks are (the equivalent to AH, LH, and SOTB) will see an even greater increase in % growth than the rest of the tracks, just because she's reached the point where literally everybody (bar diehard rap/country fans) will at least want to check out the top 2/3 tracks, just because they'll be topics of conversation. The rest of the album will also be up, but probably not to the same degree. For instance, whatever ends up being the lead might even end up over 25M (just based on peak figures from AIWFC last year nnnn), and I think 1 or 2 other tracks could end up above 20M, but I also think the lowest of the 16 tracks might be in the 10-10.5M range. I guess the rest of the streaming depends on first-listen retention throughout the duration of the album (which, I think will probably be lower than Midnights given that I don't think TTPD will be as universally pop in its appeal; though this has more positive implications for its longevity as people discover the album with time), but I tentatively think we'll see the average track debut end up somewhere 15M (so, ~240M total). 

I also think the Midnights standard edition tracks somewhat benefitted from the Tiktok reveal exposure, which made a lot of people familiar with the tracks before the album was out. I agree the difference between highest and lowest streams on TTPD will probably be bigger than Midnights (standard), especially if the album isn’t straightforward pop.

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Arrows said:

I also think the Midnights standard edition tracks somewhat benefitted from the Tiktok reveal exposure, which made a lot of people familiar with the tracks before the album was out. I agree the difference between highest and lowest streams on TTPD will probably be bigger than Midnights (standard), especially if the album isn’t straightforward pop.

That's a good point, even the lowest performing MMWM video (which ironically would've been Anti-Hero's nnnn) still had several million views, and that had to have helped spark some interest from at least some people to check out more than what the songs plastered on NMF and TTH.

[Sprawl]

https://x.com/cruelkarma1989/status/1766454233564332139?s=46

 

Just an example: Midnights had the (international) female record in Italy before she sold out San Siro twice and then a re-recording surpassed it. Tortured Poets is going to annihilate both 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Sprawl said:

https://x.com/cruelkarma1989/status/1766454233564332139?s=46

 

Just an example: Midnights had the (international) female record in Italy before she sold out San Siro twice and then a re-recording surpassed it. Tortured Poets is going to annihilate both 

It's anecdotal, but I know several people in Italy who didn't give a **** about Taylor until about a year ago, and who are now asking me about which vinyl to buy and at least a few have asked me what to wear to the Milan shows 

 

Taylor has conquered almost every European market (even the Louvre and the Coliseum nnn), and by the time she's finished touring there this August, she'll have conquered the rest, and TS12 will pull numbers to equivalent to Ed's ÷ debuts. 

[wastedpotential]

12 minutes ago, By the Water said:

I know some of you have no self control but not listening to leaks was such a great decision. I just know I'll have to avoid this thread in a few weeks

 

nnn I feel compelled to listen to the leaks because I know there will be a few who will listen and decide the album is actually terrible and no one should listen to it because they're hearing it in a quality equivalent to someone recording their car speaker on a 2005 Motorola flip phone (like how people used to do ringtones in the good days), and there needs to be a few of us able to counteract their ill-informed narratives

 

 

Spoiler

The only time the people freaking out to leaks were even remotely justified were the WANEGBT TV meltdowns nnnnnn

 

 

[Magickarp]

The BEST thing about 3AM was us who listened to the leak, got rewarded with more sings

 

ICONIC

 

[vale9001]

49 minutes ago, Sprawl said:

https://x.com/cruelkarma1989/status/1766454233564332139?s=46

 

Just an example: Midnights had the (international) female record in Italy before she sold out San Siro twice and then a re-recording surpassed it. Tortured Poets is going to annihilate both 

Yeah It will beat records in Asia after She just toured (Australia is on a Fever too) and in Europe cause here there Is a lot of anticipation for the tour. 

 

 

These markets are far way from saturation for her. I can understand americans users have a different perception and can't understand Taylor position on a global level.

Edited March 10 by vale9001

[State of Grace.]

What are the chances of her showing up atthe Oscars or the afterparty out of nowhere

 

She has a movie to write/direct and lots of networking to do after all

 

[Burqa]

there's no way some of yall really think it's doing 250M 

im bookmarking yall