album Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'

[JorgeM]

5 hours ago, Maroon legacy said:

I've been wondering... From what we know, Taylor started working on TTPD as soon as she finished working on Midnights. The last time she worked on this same pattern was when she wrote Evermore right after Folklore. In theory, this could be an indicator that TTPD will still be similar to Midnights to one degree or another. I'm sure it won't be like Midnights 2.0, but I can see the vibe of Dear Reader, You're Losing Me, Maroon, etc. Still hope that sonically it will be a complete departure from Midnights though.

We know for a fact that most of the album was record way later than that. Taylor was not shy hitting the album while she was touring US and midnights was sent for printing in April 2022 a whole year before 

[PoisonedIvy]

13 minutes ago, Klein said:

I still think it's very concerning that she started writing TTPD in early 2022 when the break up was only official more than a year later. It's very telling.

Our girl was BIG sad 

[Klein]

1 minute ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Our girl was BIG sad 

I don't even know if sad is going to be the dominant emotion on TTPD. I'm sensing it'll be frustration. 

[Mandalore]

24 minutes ago, Klein said:

I still think it's very concerning that she started writing TTPD in early 2022 when the break up was only official more than a year later. It's very telling.

She wrote YOU'RE LOSING ME (my heart won't start anymore, for you) in Dec 2021. She's been sad since 2020 because "hoax" is finally clicking. 

 

She really tried to make it work for whatever reason, sunk cost fallacy is a common reason why in long term relationships. (Do I throw out everything we built or keep it?)

Edited March 7 by Mandalore

[Klein]

Just now, Mandalore said:

She wrote YOU'RE LOSING ME (my heart won't start anymore, for you) in Dec 2021. She's been sad since 2020 because "hoax" is finally clicking. 

Yeah I'm not saying it's surprising the relationship was already rocky, but that kinda means she knew it was over as early as something like March 2022 when the break-up didn't occur until 2023. Imagine being nearly a year with someone when you know it's already over? That's the kind of concern I have. We're about to be hit hard with TTPD. 

 

You're Losing Me still has that crying for help, ready to try everything to save that relationship kind of mentality. 

[Mandalore]

6 minutes ago, Klein said:

Yeah I'm not saying it's surprising the relationship was already rocky, but that kinda means she knew it was over as early as something like March 2022 when the break-up didn't occur until 2023. Imagine being nearly a year with someone when you know it's already over? That's the kind of concern I have. We're about to be hit hard with TTPD. 

 

You're Losing Me still has that crying for help, ready to try everything to save that relationship kind of mentality. 

Yeah, I'm sure they had their good moments in-between, they seem much more on and off than we were aware of. But the fact that she was allowing herself to write about it in 2022, she was emotionally checked out for sure. For better or worse, I think this was a very transformative relationship for her. I feel like she learned a lot from it especially about compromise. Because she sure as hell did a lot of that during those six years and it never seemed met with equal effort. 

 

This is gonna be an emotionally/thematically mismatched album for me though because I'm going through a honeymoon phase and not sure how that's gonna alter my appreciation of it. 

Edited March 7 by Mandalore

[Klein]

Just now, Mandalore said:

This is gonna be mismatched album for me though because I'm going through a honeymoon phase and not sure how that's gonna alter my appreciation of it. 

I have nothing in my life right now but best believe I will invoke all the emotions I felt during/after my last true relationship to make sure I can really feel this album, no matter how many years ago that was. 

 

Just hold on to past trauma to enjoy this one. 

[wastedpotential]

11 hours ago, P!NK2LOVE said:

Isn’t this like the third show it’s been featured on?  

If you count the Jack Leopards Austin Swift version from Killing Eve then I think so 

 

Stream y'all, it needs some help 

 

 

[1989]

37 minutes ago, Klein said:

I still think it's very concerning that she started writing TTPD in early 2022 when the break up was only official more than a year later. It's very telling.

Extremely telling. It takes me back to those few corners of the fan base that clocked she seemed a little sad during fall 2021/Red TV promo. Most of the fan base (myself included at the time) shot it down as people being ‘too invested’, but then she wrote YLM a month later.  Now ever since March 2023, I keep coming back to that. I feel like the first crack in the relationship happened sometime in 2021 and came to a head in late 2021 (and likely kept snowballing in 2022 until the breakup last year). 

[FolkLover1989]

We don't want live album rn

it will mess up with everything else going on

[wastedpotential]

18 minutes ago, Klein said:

Yeah I'm not saying it's surprising the relationship was already rocky, but that kinda means she knew it was over as early as something like March 2022 when the break-up didn't occur until 2023. Imagine being nearly a year with someone when you know it's already over? That's the kind of concern I have. We're about to be hit hard with TTPD. 

 

You're Losing Me still has that crying for help, ready to try everything to save that relationship kind of mentality. 

I mean the people on Tumblr who make it their life's mission to know every single possible thing about Taylor have all agreed that there was a fullstop breakup in Nov/Dec 2021 (when he didn't show up to the ATW screening)  before they got back together again to go to Tahiti together for Christmas/New Years , so the song was written about a breakup between them, just not the breakup that we learned about in April last year 

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

We don't want live album rn

it will mess up with everything else going on

How could a live album mess anything though? 

[wastedpotential]

4 minutes ago, 1989 said:

Extremely telling. It takes me back to those few corners of the fan base that clocked she seemed a little sad during fall 2021/Red TV promo. Most of the fan base (myself included at the time) shot it down as people being ‘too invested’, but then she wrote YLM a month later.  Now ever since March 2023, I keep coming back to that. I feel like the first crack in the relationship happened sometime in 2021 and came to a head in late 2021 (and likely kept snowballing in 2022 until the breakup last year). 

Bringing back my conspiracies from two hundred pages ago (), those corners of the fanbase who clocked the November mess have seemingly settled on him cheating in 2018 and then gaslighting her into staying with him, followed by stability through covid, then a big fight/breakup after Belfast in 2021 (the Hits Different breakup), then them getting back together from Aug-Oct (at least through her trip Panama), then another big break in Nov/Dec (the YLM breakup), followed by another reconciliation that lasted probably through Aug/Sep 2022, but they were clearly on rocky terms during and after Midnights release (New Orleans and her birthday were such red flags we missed) and only bothered announcing their breakup and ending the PR charade after the fans cottoned on to him not showing up to any of the Eras dates. 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Klein said:

How could a live album mess anything though? 

Yeah, so long as it's released in a different pay cycle than TTPD (as a March 15th release would be) there shouldn't be an issue for me

[Klein]

3 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Yeah, so long as it's released in a different pay cycle than TTPD (as a March 15th release would be) there shouldn't be an issue for me

Especially since it would likely be a streaming exclusive. I'm not even sure she'd release physicals (unless there's also a DVD). 

 

But if there are physicals and a DVD, best believe that means the show is changing a lot going forward. 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Klein said:

Especially since it would likely be a streaming exclusive. I'm not even sure she'd release physicals (unless there's also a DVD). 

 

But if there are physicals and a DVD, best believe that means the show is changing a lot going forward. 

This is a very good point. I'd love a CD version to match my Speak Now live CD and so instead of watching pirated versions of the film at least once a week I can listen to it like 4-5 songs at a time in the car , but physicals of any kind would probably only happen if she's going to be changing up the set list significantly. 

[1989]

5 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Bringing back my conspiracies from two hundred pages ago (), those corners of the fanbase who clocked the November mess have seemingly settled on him cheating in 2018 and then gaslighting her into staying with him, followed by stability through covid, then a big fight/breakup after Belfast in 2021 (the Hits Different breakup), then them getting back together from Aug-Oct (at least through her trip Panama), then another big break in Nov/Dec (the YLM breakup), followed by another reconciliation that lasted probably through Aug/Sep 2022, but they were clearly on rocky terms during and after Midnights release (New Orleans and her birthday were such red flags we missed) and only bothered announcing their breakup and ending the PR charade after the fans cottoned on to him not showing up to any of the Eras dates. 

See, I can agree with a lot of this except I really don’t think they had any major red flag issues until 2021. I’ve just never really believed the 2018 rumours (gossip?) tbh. Idk, I think they were good until 2021, something happened, and they kept trying to put a bandaid on it until late that year (his mom accompanied her to the ATW premiere). I agree that 2022 was just overall rocky for them, and looking back, there were so many things that were…off, I guess, about the relationship at the time. 
 

Two weeks into Eras (a fortnight ), she just said enough. 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, 1989 said:

See, I can agree with a lot of this except I really don’t think they had any major red flag issues until 2021. I’ve just never really believed the 2018 rumours (gossip?) tbh. Idk, I think they were good until 2021, something happened, and they kept trying to put a bandaid on it until late that year (his mom accompanied her to the ATW premiere). I agree that 2022 was just overall rocky for them, and looking back, there were so many things that were…off, I guess, about the relationship at the time. 
 

Two weeks into Eras (a fortnight ), she just said enough. 

nnnn yeah most of the 2018 evidence is that he stopped showing up to Rep dates after July, plus circumstantial clues from Afterglow/Cornelia Street/hoax/gold rush and her sudden worries of not being stable in the relationship across all of Lover, his apparent insecurity about her being in Cats (a bigger budget and higher profile film than anything he's been in ), and a few other things that will make me sound even more deranged that don't have much basis in provable fact but are held firm by some true TayWhisperers, so it's definitely a weaker case than 2021 

[pride4jc1222]

21 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

We don't want live album rn

it will mess up with everything else going on

Yeah, I'm not sure why people are overthinking this. Taylor is not going to release a live album last minute, when she already has plans to release a studio album next month. She can always release this later in the year when the TTPD hype dies down.

[Dear Reader]

Guys, a live album doesn't even need to be promoted or have physical copies 

[Mandalore]

14 minutes ago, 1989 said:

See, I can agree with a lot of this except I really don’t think they had any major red flag issues until 2021. I’ve just never really believed the 2018 rumours (gossip?) tbh. Idk, I think they were good until 2021, something happened, and they kept trying to put a bandaid on it until late that year (his mom accompanied her to the ATW premiere). I agree that 2022 was just overall rocky for them, and looking back, there were so many things that were…off, I guess, about the relationship at the time. 
 

Two weeks into Eras (a fortnight ), she just said enough. 

Never paid attention or noticed anything per se before, outside of the music that is. Ever since Lover I sensed something was off just from the way she was writing about him. Even the "love" songs about him had underlying tones of anxiety. "Afterglow" always rubbed me the wrong way because it was trying to be vague but took this severe "blame it all on me" angle that only reinforced those perceived anxieties. When she describes him or talks about him positively it almost feels like an ideal more than a real person which looking at the time he came into her life makes sense. There's  an almost guaranteed power imbalance that forms when you get involved with someone when you're at your lowest mentally and in life in general. 

 

Spoiler

This Grey's scene clocked their dynamic for me lol

 

 

Edited March 7 by Mandalore

[NEX]

Can something happen plz

 

 

[wastedpotential]

4 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Guys, a live album doesn't even need to be promoted or have physical copies 

See, if it doesn't have physical copies for sale I fear I'll have to bust out my old old computer (that still has a disc port) so I can burn the mp3 files of the Eras Tour for the first time since probably 2011 

[Popboi.]

12 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Guys, a live album doesn't even need to be promoted or have physical copies 

Or it can even be just physical copies. She dropped both Lover Live and folklore lpss vinyl between Midnights and Speak Now TV (right after Midnights in the first case)

[1989]

13 minutes ago, Mandalore said:

Never paid attention or noticed anything per se before, outside of the music that is. Ever since Lover I sensed something was off just from the way she was writing about him. Even the "love" songs about him had underlying tones of anxiety. "Afterglow" always rubbed me the wrong way because it was trying to be vague but took this severe "blame it all on me" angle that only reinforced those perceived anxieties. When she describes him or talks about him positively it almost feels like an ideal more than a real person which looking at the time he came into her life makes sense. There's  an almost guaranteed power imbalance that forms when you get involved with someone when you're at your lowest mentally and in life in general. 

 

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This Grey's scene clocked their dynamic for me lol

 

 

Oh no, you could definitely be right. I’m not even saying what I think is 100% one way or the other, just the overall vibe I got. 
 

I always chalked up Afterglow (and some of the other songs on Lover) to her just being anxious in general, especially at that time in her life. She admittedly was very cat-and-mouse with him at first, likely because in 2016 she didn’t feel like trusting anyone. 
 

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When she describes him or talks about him positively it almost feels like an ideal more than a real person which looking at the time he came into her life makes sense. There's  an almost guaranteed power imbalance that forms when you get involved with someone when you're at your lowest mentally and in life in general. 

You are absolutely 100% correct about that, and I wonder if that’s something that was always bubbling under the surface, even from the moment they got together.