Achilles. Posted October 3 Posted October 3 37 minutes ago, chiliam said: when she announce 1989 would be a full pop album, i was fuming hard and ready to unstan and thats the reaction of most fans at the time, we all called her sell-out. And it turned out her most dominant era with all the hits and promo slots Just because it paid off doesn't mean she didn't sell out.
Holiest Dreams Posted October 3 Posted October 3 I feel so inadequate as a Swiftie when I remember I only really became a stan during the 1989 era dd I mean, I never cared about her before Red, and I kinda liked the singles and some album tracks I heard on YouTube. So I decided to check out the 1989 era when it started and then went down the rabbit hole and never looked back. The reputation era is probably what REALLY made me realize I'm stuck with her for life, since it was a very… trying time for us Swifties, but I loved her more than ever. My stannage only gets stronger year by year, I fear for my own sanity a bit 6
Achilles. Posted October 3 Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said: I feel so inadequate as a Swiftie when I remember I only really became a stan during the 1989 era dd The quality of a swiftie is determined by their taste in lord's music, not when they became a fan. 4
wastedpotential Posted October 3 Posted October 3 42 minutes ago, brokee said: Interesting Are they right usually? not familiar with them. Eras tour resumes in like 3 weeks and ends in December so she may record these days secretly cause I don't think the girl wasting any time at all. Also, I'm excited to hear the PUTA TV but I'm more excited about a new album anytime Yup, It be like that will move on to new songs but I'll probably keep listening to songs like Guilty as Sin, Florida!!! and a handful of other songs from time to time They had both Midnights and TTPD clocked well before anyone knew **** was coming, let alone that what was coming wouldn't just be another TV, I trust their instincts The most recent inclination I've seen is a potential announcement of something at the last show in Vancouver, but who ******* knows
wastedpotential Posted October 3 Posted October 3 25 minutes ago, Achilles. said: The quality of a swiftie is determined by their taste in lord's music, not when they became a fan. With a healthy dose of fortitude and ride-or-dieism during the rocky patches It doesn't matter if you were or weren't around to watch TSOU bomb into oblivion, or 22 fizzle, or End Fame spectacularly fail to live up to expectations so long as you're able to stick through with pride and dignity the next time that happens If you can sit through the back to back catastrophes of Reputation and Lover (or know you can suffer a hypothetical equivalent in the future) without feeling the urge to hide behind the hitmaker of the week, then you're a Good Swiftie™ in my books The fair weather "Stans" can crawl back whatever Katy Britney Gaga base they came from and the rest of us will remain loyal and snobbish in that fact 5
Achilles. Posted October 3 Posted October 3 3 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: It doesn't matter if you were or weren't around to watch TSOU bomb into oblivion, or 22 fizzle, or End Fame spectacularly fail to live up to expectations so long as you're able to stick through with pride and dignity the next time that happens It's so nice not giving a **** about things like this anymore. I'm too old and my tastes are so unmainstream and Taylor's success is so unmatchable that caring about the performance of her singles is so completely irrelevant to me. The only chart that matters to me is my own. 1 2
brokee Posted October 3 Posted October 3 11 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: They had both Midnights and TTPD clocked well before anyone knew **** was coming, let alone that what was coming wouldn't just be another TV, I trust their instincts The most recent inclination I've seen is a potential announcement of something at the last show in Vancouver, but who ******* knows Well if they knew something before anyone else and mentioned about it publicly then that's good might check them and keep an eye on what they say. Is that the same show she said something like you should put it out if you feel it or something I don't remember the full thing
wastedpotential Posted October 3 Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, Achilles. said: It's so nice not giving a **** about things like this anymore. I'm too old and my tastes are so unmainstream and Taylor's success is so unmatchable that caring about the performance of her singles is so completely irrelevant to me. The only chart that matters to me is my own. I'm kinda having fun with a game of limbo and ICDIWABH on pop radio right now. Her sheer magnitude of success and celebrity (and the might of her radio people) are forcing them to play a song that they clearly do not want to, and it's a game of how low they'll be allowed to let it peak Spoiler I will say I do still give a few shits about the BB200 because I like seeing her end careers (and block albums on a whim), but basically nothing else matters to me at this point either 1
wastedpotential Posted October 3 Posted October 3 4 minutes ago, brokee said: Well if they knew something before anyone else and mentioned about it publicly then that's good might check them and keep an eye on what they say. Is that the same show she said something like you should put it out if you feel it or something I don't remember the full thing The show of the tour this December in Vancouver seems like the most opportune time for her to announce something... what, is unknowable, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't something
Achilles. Posted October 3 Posted October 3 11 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: I'm kinda having fun with a game of limbo and ICDIWABH on pop radio right now. Her sheer magnitude of success and celebrity (and the might of her radio people) are forcing them to play a song that they clearly do not want to, and it's a game of how low they'll be allowed to let it peak Hide contents I will say I do still give a few shits about the BB200 because I like seeing her end careers (and block albums on a whim), but basically nothing else matters to me at this point either I haven't even looked at its chart run but limbo sounds fun! Took a peek and it's giving top 5 on HAC, 6-8 on Top 40, bomb on AC. I agree about the BB200, but even my joy in seeing her dominate there for the past year has been diminished by the fact that Loser was smashing hardest.
brokee Posted October 3 Posted October 3 23 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: The show of the tour this December in Vancouver seems like the most opportune time for her to announce something... what, is unknowable, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't something Oh, the upcoming show yeah that one I would not be surprised if she announce something. Since it is close to Christmas, I wonder if The Taylor Swift Holiday Collection TV will happen
pinkbowvintage Posted October 3 Posted October 3 But Daddy I Love Him still hits this whole album just remains AOTY to me 1
Achilles. Posted October 3 Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, pinkbowvintage said: But Daddy I Love Him still hits SKIP
Enrique523 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 8 hours ago, chiliam said: She is really that *****. Except for questionable single choices, she has made brilliant career moves. I remember when she announce 1989 would be a full pop album, i was fuming hard and ready to unstan and thats the reaction of most fans at the time, we all called her sell-out. And it turned out her most dominant era with all the hits and promo slots. A lot of people look back and say it was such a safe move but i was there and remember it all too well, she could alienate her entire country fanbase. Or when she annouce The Eras tour we all think how the hell to fit all the eras and that sound like a legacy act, just do folkmorelover midnight tour would be better. And then she surprise us all with that insane setlist 3.5h show. Yeah, agree about the single choices, she definitively has questionable judgment when it comes to that. That's her only flaw when it comes to her career's planning really. But everything else has been good decision after good decision. And TELL ME ABOUT IT when it comes to 1989. I HATE how some people act as if going full pop was a completely safe move, it absolutely wasn't Her country audience could've stopped buying her albums all together, and album sales have always been her strong point. Even when Speak Now underperformed with singles, the era was still successful thanks to strong album sales. Going full pop was definitively a big risk, imagine if not only the singles didn't connect with the public BUT on top of that her album sales would've dropped like a rock because people just wanted her to be country? The whole thing could've gone SO wrong, 1989 was anything but safe And at first i was against the Eras Tour when she first announced it, i thought it was WAY too soon for a tour like that, especially with Midnights smashing. But she way she structured the tour was so masterful, things couldn't have possibly gone better. 1
Enrique523 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 6 hours ago, wastedpotential said: I'm kinda having fun with a game of limbo and ICDIWABH on pop radio right now. Her sheer magnitude of success and celebrity (and the might of her radio people) are forcing them to play a song that they clearly do not want to, and it's a game of how low they'll be allowed to let it peak Reveal hidden contents I will say I do still give a few shits about the BB200 because I like seeing her end careers (and block albums on a whim), but basically nothing else matters to me at this point either Completely agree. Her discography as a whole is still smashing so hard that she doesn't even NEED hit singles at this point to be at the top, the sheer success of her entire albums do all the work. That's what happens when you developped a massive fanbase that loves your entire body of work and not just the big singles. Most other popstars, like Gaga or Rihanna, NEED big singles in order to have successful eras. Taylor doesn't really need that anymore. 1
Badgalbriel Posted October 3 Posted October 3 I want her to go back to releasing pre-album singles. At least one lead single and one single during the album release week. 1
Dear Reader Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Quick reminder that Midnights is an excellent Pop album and if you put aside your hatred for Jack you can see that. It absolutely deserved AOTY and I'm inclined to say that TTPD also deserves the award. If she ends up winning (I think she won't), I'll be defending it until the end of times. 2 3
Enrique523 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 6 hours ago, wastedpotential said: If you can sit through the back to back catastrophes of Reputation and Lover (or know you can suffer a hypothetical equivalent in the future) without feeling the urge to hide behind the hitmaker of the week, then you're a Good Swiftie™ in my books I will never take seriously ANYBODY who still believe they have to hide behind some current hitmaker at this point of Taylor's career, those people are obviously not real Swifties and never will be. People like us have been through the TRENCHES for years and i never doubted my loyalty to Taylor for one second, i'm a stan for life. Even before Folkmore i would've never left her, i was already too much of a stan for that to happen. Same thing for Madonna, my second favorite pop star, i'm a stan for life, even if she also took decisions with her career i didn't agree with. 2
Enrique523 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 1 hour ago, Dear Reader said: Quick reminder that Midnights is an excellent Pop album and if you put aside your hatred for Jack you can see that. It absolutely deserved AOTY and I'm inclined to say that TTPD also deserves the award. If she ends up winning (I think she won't), I'll be defending it until the end of times. Louder for the people in the back I also don't think she's gonna win AOTY with TTPD, there's strong competition this year and she's just not gonna win 2 years in a row. But she better be AT LEAST nominated
chiliam Posted October 3 Posted October 3 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Enrique523 said: Yeah, agree about the single choices, she definitively has questionable judgment when it comes to that. That's her only flaw when it comes to her career's planning really. But everything else has been good decision after good decision. And TELL ME ABOUT IT when it comes to 1989. I HATE how some people act as if going full pop was a completely safe move, it absolutely wasn't Her country audience could've stopped buying her albums all together, and album sales have always been her strong point. Even when Speak Now underperformed with singles, the era was still successful thanks to strong album sales. Going full pop was definitively a big risk, imagine if not only the singles didn't connect with the public BUT on top of that her album sales would've dropped like a rock because people just wanted her to be country? The whole thing could've gone SO wrong, 1989 was anything but safe And at first i was against the Eras Tour when she first announced it, i thought it was WAY too soon for a tour like that, especially with Midnights smashing. But she way she structured the tour was so masterful, things couldn't have possibly gone better. yeah im so confused with the 1989 is a safe choice narrative. Like lets not re-write history, it was a massive success doesnt mean it`s not a risk when she annouce to go full pop mode. I were there and remember vividly most of the fandom complained hard until Style snippet release and Blank space`s video release change our mind. Shake it off was panned by the fan, OOTW was decent but the repetitive chorus also has us worried, Welcome to NY ... well that was a test. Not to mention the horrible How you get a panned album snippet in that cat commercial Edited October 3 by chiliam 2
Enrique523 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 1 hour ago, Dear Reader said: 10.3M units WW? In 6 months Pure sales will ALWAYS put her ahead of everyone else, i love it. It's not enough that she's killing it in streaming, she's also the only female pop star who can actually SELL albums
Enrique523 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 1 hour ago, chiliam said: yeah im so confused with the 1989 is a safe choice narrative. Like lets not re-write history, it was a massive success doesnt mean it`s not a risk when she annouce to go full pop mode. I were there and remember vividly most of the fandom complained hard until Style snippet release and Blank space`s video release change our mind. Shake it off was panned by the fan, OOTW was decent but the repetitive chorus also has us worried, Welcome to NY ... well that was a test. Not to mention the horrible How you get a panned album snippet in that cat commercial The problem is that people always think a pop star only takes a "risk" when the project in question flop, they never look at the broader context. Just because pop is a very mainstream genre doesn't mean it can't be a risk for some specific artists to go pop. Taylor has taken a LOT of risks in her career. But people, especially OTHs, never want to admit it because her risks always ended up paying off so they act as if everything was always guarantee to smash, which is far from the truth. 1 3
Hobbes Posted October 3 Posted October 3 49 minutes ago, Enrique523 said: Yeah, agree about the single choices, she definitively has questionable judgment when it comes to that. That's her only flaw when it comes to her career's planning really. But everything else has been good decision after good decision. And TELL ME ABOUT IT when it comes to 1989. I HATE how some people act as if going full pop was a completely safe move, it absolutely wasn't Her country audience could've stopped buying her albums all together, and album sales have always been her strong point. Even when Speak Now underperformed with singles, the era was still successful thanks to strong album sales. Going full pop was definitively a big risk, imagine if not only the singles didn't connect with the public BUT on top of that her album sales would've dropped like a rock because people just wanted her to be country? The whole thing could've gone SO wrong, 1989 was anything but safe And at first i was against the Eras Tour when she first announced it, i thought it was WAY too soon for a tour like that, especially with Midnights smashing. But she way she structured the tour was so masterful, things couldn't have possibly gone better. I initially thought the same as a 'Greatest Hits' tour feels like something you do when you're fully past your heyday but when you consider that Lover Fest was cancelled due to COVID, folklore/evermore probably wouldn't have smashed with their own tour like rep, and she'd also released Midnights, it really made sense to catch up.
Ms. Togekiss Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Ever since the so high school single rumors came out I've been listening to it and I'm obsessed same with My Boy. I didn't obsessively spin TTPD as I did Midnights but that's probably because of how long it is. Even for midnights 20 tracks was too much so I cut it down to like 7-10 that I actually obsessed over. So a lot of these TTPD songs still sound relatively new once I actually listen to them 1
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