album Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'

[Pop Fan]

5 minutes ago, Sweeftie13 said:

this discussion made me think of something that wasn't obvious: if we had received TTPD before Midnights and Midnights would have been released this year after TTPD I'm sure that the entire fanbase, GP and critics would have seen Midnights as a total regression and it would have become worse than Lover before redemption.

This shows the great quality of TTPD that will be more appreciated in the immediate future, as Lover did in 2022-2023  

No, that's not the case. Midnights might not be the ultimate artistic achievement or a groundbreaking record but it's still overall a really solid body of work. It's a chill, laid back record with a moodier and cooler synthy production than her previous pop records. 
 

TTPD is very "in your face" overdramatic type of album. It's overwritten, unhinged and also sometimes straight-up juvenile and cringy. It's a much more polarizing album and isn't really GP friendly. It's also about Matty Healy and it has 31 tracks. 
 

Midnights is her 1989 of this decade

TTPD is her reputation of this decade

[Taylor fanboy]

13 hours ago, Matchatea said:

I fear we aren't getting rep TV this year…. 

Not good. She was supposed to be done with these two years ago.

Edited August 25 by Taylor fanboy

[Klein]

14 minutes ago, Pop Fan said:

TTPD is her reputation of this decade

Well considering the retrospective acclaim reputation has received, you're kinda agreeing that time will be more than good towards TTPD's reception. Because I still vividly remember how everyone was panning reputation upon release. 

Edited August 25 by Klein

[Pop Fan]

3 minutes ago, Klein said:

Well considering the retrospective acclaim reputation has received, you're kinda agreeing that time will be more than good towards TTPD's reception. Because I still vividly remember how everyone was panning reputation upon release. 

Yeah but Puta was actually a fire album full of pop smashes. TTPD is nothing like it. 
 

Anyway i don't care about that album anymore. I'm manifesting a cunty Max Martinfied TS12.
 

Taylor Swift/Max Martin/Shellback is the best thing that happened to pop music in the 21th Century. They are literally the pop music's dream team. We need them back ASAP. 

[Taylor fanboy]

This is so third sister coded

 

 

[Heldenzeit]

We will not be comparing TTGodsD to reputank, thank you. 

[Dear Reader]

Jack isn't going anywhere. I've been saying this since the Midnights thread but you folks seem to not get it. You might as well accept it 

[Nein]

This is the obligatory Fortnight appreciation post.

 

Amazing song.

[Nick_317]

It was legendary

It was momentary

It was unnecessary

Should have let it stay buried

[Catch22]

1 hour ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Not good. She was supposed to be done with these two years ago.

When she released Fearless TV 4 months after evermore, I thought re-recordings would be a quick process. I kinda miss 2020-2021 when she didn't care *that much* about the charts.

[Prismee]

4 minutes ago, Catch22 said:

When she released Fearless TV 4 months after evermore, I thought re-recordings would be a quick process. I kinda miss 2020-2021 when she didn't care *that much* about the charts.

i still remember the June 2021 clownings for 1989 TV only to get some beach towels  to think we'll only get it over 2 years later

[wastedpotential]

7 hours ago, Klein said:

Yes x1000. Completely share this sentiment, just on a much larger scale cause... Starting my Swiftie life with evermore means I only started really appreciating her albums in 2021, and since then... the longest break was less than a year between Red TV and Midnights.  

 

#NewSwiftiesAreWelcomingABreakToHaveTimeWithThePreviousAlbums(ButStillWillCheerIfANewAlbumIsComing) 

 

#DinoSwiftiesJoinNewSwiftiesInWelcomingABreakToHaveTimeWithThePreviousAlbums(ButStillAreWillingToCheerIfANewAlbumIsComing)ButOhMyGodItsExhausting

 

[Badgalbriel]

Midnights is much better than TTPD. The run from LH to MR is flawless. 

TTPD already starts with shitty songs like My Boy, Down Bad, Title Track, etc. 

[wastedpotential]

21 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Jack isn't going anywhere. I've been saying this since the Midnights thread but you folks seem to not get it. You might as well accept it 

Yeah, Jack is her emotional support producer and there's zero chance he's not involved in the next record to at least some degree 

 

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Plus, now that he's married I think he's really hot so I don't mind seeing him around 

 

[Catch22]

5 minutes ago, Prismee said:

i still remember the June 2021 clownings for 1989 TV only to get some beach towels  to think we'll only get it over 2 years later

And then she had to announce Red TV 5 months in advance to shut us up 

[Enrique523]

10 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

I think about this a lot, just from a perspective of like true album absorption. I don't think I'd really absorbed all of folklore and evermore until like... last year, and I'm nowhere near full comprehension and appreciation of Midnights or TTPD, and we've been so overwhelmed with vault tracks that I don't think I'll ever bother going back to get some of them (sorry We Were Happy, I am thinking about you here ). I'm never gonna say no to new music, but I for one would really love nothing until at least Q2 2025, just to sit with what we've gotten so far 

Very well said 

 

We LITERALLY just got a fantastic double album 4 months ago. I'm also never gonna say no to new music but i'm completely fine with no new album until 2026 (i'm not counting re-recordings here). She deserves to get some rest after everything she's given us recently and i'm also quite excited to see what her movie will be like.

[Enrique523]

8 hours ago, Pop Fan said:

Okay, let's be for real now!

 

TTPD is a good album BUT she's capable of making a much stronger record. She needs to go back to making tight, polished, well thought-out and sonically cohesive bodies of work like she's done with Fearless; 1989 and folklore. Jack needs to go ASAP!! She should definitely work with Max Martin and Shellback if she's making another pop record. We deserve some new Max Martin pop perfections. Max is a much better pop songwriter/producer than Jack. I don't get why she's sabotaging herself and sacrificing her potential with Jack. They have reached their creative limit and they're constantly reusing and recycling the same production elements. The production on TTPD is sadly boring, uninspired and bland. If TS12 is amother Jack album ISTG 😤😡

 

I would kill for some new timeless pop classics written/produced by Taylor, Max and Shellback! It's a need!

 

I'm sorry for this unhinged rant but someone needs to say it!

 

Do you agree with me or not?
What do you think about TTPD?

What do you think about Jack's recent production?

What do you think about Max Martin and Shellback? 
Would you like it if they were the main producers on TS12?

What are your wishes for TS12 (producers/songwriters/genre)?

 

I'd love to hear what do you think!

I'm sorry but i'm so sick and tired of the endless Jack bashing, just get over it already

 

Jack is a WAY better producer than people give him credit for and personally i'm beyond sick and tired of Max Martin, i'll never forget that guy for creating the musical monstrosity that is Britney Spears. There's SO MANY incredible, newer pop producers out there, why is everyone so obsessed with Max Martin, especially when he himself has quite a few duds on his production credits? I want Taylor to work with fresh blood, not rushing back to Max Martin 

 

Yeah, i just had a meltdown of my own. But i'm seriously beyond tired of the Jack-bashing and Max-worshipping.

[Enrique523]

3 hours ago, Pop Fan said:

No, that's not the case. Midnights might not be the ultimate artistic achievement or a groundbreaking record but it's still overall a really solid body of work. It's a chill, laid back record with a moodier and cooler synthy production than her previous pop records. 
 

TTPD is very "in your face" overdramatic type of album. It's overwritten, unhinged and also sometimes straight-up juvenile and cringy. It's a much more polarizing album and isn't really GP friendly. It's also about Matty Healy and it has 31 tracks. 
 

Midnights is her 1989 of this decade

TTPD is her reputation of this decade

I'm sorry but... are you ok? You don't sound ok at all 

[Enrique523]

3 hours ago, Pop Fan said:

Yeah but Puta was actually a fire album full of pop smashes. TTPD is nothing like it. 
 

Anyway i don't care about that album anymore. I'm manifesting a cunty Max Martinfied TS12.
 

Taylor Swift/Max Martin/Shellback is the best thing that happened to pop music in the 21th Century. They are literally the pop music's dream team. We need them back ASAP. 

Yeah, couldn't possibly disagree more with that, they gave birth to some of the WORST pop stars the world ever had 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said:

Midnights is much better than TTPD. The run from LH to MR is flawless. 

TTPD already starts with shitty songs like My Boy, Down Bad, Title Track, etc. 

In what world are those songs bad? 

[Buffy]

The same people hating on TTPD are the same people who call Debut a mixtape. Their opinions can't be trusted.

[Klein]

45 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Midnights is much better than TTPD. The run from LH to MR is flawless. 

TTPD already starts with shitty songs like My Boy, Down Bad, Title Track, etc. 

I feel sorry you don't get My Boy and Down Bad babe. Truly truly sorry 

 

Also you can't say that the LH -> MR run is flawless when SOTB is right in the middle and is an even more nothing song than Robin. 

 

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But drag the title track again for me please 

 

[TayDuaStan]

18 hours ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

Need her to work with Ian Kirkpatrick

THIS. Can Sabrina just gave her Ian's number… I need the bops for TS12 

[wastedpotential]

4 minutes ago, Klein said:

Also you can't say that the LH -> MR run is flawless when SOTB is right in the middle and is an even more nothing song than Robin. 

 

The way I do not understand the obsession with the opening run of Midnights because I think at least half of the first 6 tracks are at or below the average point for the album, and no I will not be naming which tracks these are for personal safety reasons 

 

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but lets just say they're not Maryoon, Amen-Hymn, or Messiah's Reign 

 

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I guess my tea on YOKO is that I love the lyrical sentiment but the production is basically The Archer if she took all the parts I didn't like about The Archer and made them worse and more prominent and then also took out all of the production elements in The Archer that I do like

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And no, I will not be taking comments on this opinion, because I know some of y'all love that song 

 

 

 

 

 

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

The way I do not understand the obsession with the opening run of Midnights because I think at least half of the first 6 tracks are at or below the average point for the album, and no I will not be naming which tracks these are for personal safety reasons 

 

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but lets just say they're not Maryoon, Amen-Hymn, or Messiah's Reign 

 

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I guess my tea on YOKO is that I love the lyrical sentiment but the production is basically The Archer if she took all the parts I didn't like about The Archer and made them worse and more prominent and then also took out all of the production elements in The Archer that I do like

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And no, I will not be taking comments on this opinion, because I know some of y'all love that song 

 

 

 

 

 

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