album Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Scheissex said:

The bridge of Peter gives Champagne Problems level of excellence but I'm afraid its lost on the masses... Where are the Peter stans?

 

I'm right here, Peter is a masterpiece.

[Great Username]

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[every1blinks]

57 minutes ago, Scheissex said:

The bridge of Peter gives Champagne Problems level of excellence but I'm afraid its lost on the masses... Where are the Peter stans?

 

Not even kidding, the Lois Griffin version that was posted yesterday finally made it click for me  the Lord works in mysterious ways, I fear

[Dear Reader]

1 minute ago, every1blinks said:

Not even kidding, the Lois Griffin version that was posted yesterday finally made it click for me  the Lord works in mysterious ways, I fear

[PrismaticOwen]

58 minutes ago, Scheissex said:

The bridge of Peter gives Champagne Problems level of excellence but I'm afraid its lost on the masses... Where are the Peter stans?

 

I'll never understand the peter slander I see on twitter and tiktok

 

It's a masterpiece

 

The girls who get it get it, and the girls who don't... well... 

[wastedpotential]

14 minutes ago, every1blinks said:

Not even kidding, the Lois Griffin version that was posted yesterday finally made it click for me  the Lord works in mysterious ways, I fear

nnn now, I'm already being lashed on this page for having wonky opinions but when I say this is one of those things I'd have kept secret to the grave 

Edited July 18, 2024 by wastedpotential

[Klein]

The thing about Peter is that it is a FANTASTIC song all around, but it has no business being on TTPD. 

[vale9001]

why she snubs Change so much? not only at the eras but in her career in general... she is waiting to perform it at the Kamala Harris convention?

[Enrique523]

2 hours ago, every1blinks said:

Not even kidding, the Lois Griffin version that was posted yesterday finally made it click for me  the Lord works in mysterious ways, I fear

Happy to be of service 

[Scheissex]

1 hour ago, Klein said:

The thing about Peter is that it is a FANTASTIC song all around, but it has no business being on TTPD. 

Do you mean in terms of theme? Because TTPD is not really known for its cohesiveness

 

1 hour ago, PrismaticOwen said:

I'll never understand the peter slander I see on twitter and tiktok

 

It's a masterpiece

 

The girls who get it get it, and the girls who don't... well... 

I feel like everyone lumps it in with Robin which is unfair because Robin is a justified skip 

 

[Enrique523]

Yeah, Robin is one of the only TTPD songs that i personally consider to be a skip. But Peter is WAY too good for that, some people really have no taste 

[JoeAg]

4 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

lemme go give Clara a stream for the first time in a month

as much as this album has been kinda not my favorite at all, this song remains a 10 

[Holiest Dreams]

11 hours ago, Yuanyu said:

Taylor's album dropped 83% from the first to the second week, we'll see if he manages to beat that figure

Do you have on Google alerts for whenever Eminem's name is mentioned or something?

 

The album that spent 12 consecutive weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200 and 11 consecutive weeks at #1 in streams was not frontloaded. If TTPD is frontloaded then what would it be considered when a two-week old album falls below a three-month old album in streams by its second week?
 

Eminem's album is doing more than fine anyway, but trying to speak negatively about TTPD's commercial performance in any capacity (but especially in his defense) is nonsensical.

Edited July 18, 2024 by Holiest Dreams

[Holiest Dreams]

8 hours ago, Arrows said:

Taylor will be 51 in 15 years.

 

15 years ago, Taylor was in the Red era, 7 years into her career and on her fourth succesful album.

 

TTPD debuted with 2.6 million units. Eminem just debuted with 300k units.

 

This means Taylor would have fall to a ninth of her current success in the next 15 years. I kinda don't see that happening.

I can't believe we even have to argue whether or not Taylor will be selling more than Eminem when she's at the same point in her career (~25 *cmiiw* years into her career)

 

That's only 7 years from now and I'm sure she'll still be selling 300k several times over. Even if we look at the age aspect, yeah, she'll definitely be selling more than 300k when she's 51. I don't think people understand just how much of a commercial juggernaut she is. It's not like she's pulling these unprecedented figures (1.5M, 1.6M, 2.6M, etc) only a few years into her career where she can be written off as a fad. She is almost 20 years into her career, Eminem only sold those huge numbers when he was new and at the same point in the late 2010s Eminem was debuting with 300k

 

Also I'm not shading Eminem whatsoever because he's easily the biggest artist this century after Taylor. He's objectively pulling amazing numbers, and I don't even like him - see how easy that was to say? It's just extremely odd to see someone degrade Taylor's current success and inevitable future success (judging by how things are going) in his favor. Especially after what TTPD just did commercially  

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Holiest Dreams said:

I can't believe we even have to argue whether or not Taylor will be selling more than Eminem when she's at the same point in her career (~25 *cmiiw* years into her career)

 

That's only 7 years from now and I'm sure she'll still be selling 300k several times over. Even if we look at the age aspect, yeah, she'll definitely be selling more than 300k when she's 51. I don't think people understand just how much of a commercial juggernaut she is. It's not like she's pulling these unprecedented figures (1.5M, 1.6M, 2.6M, etc) only a few years into her career where she can be written off as a fad. She is almost 20 years into her career, Eminem only sold those huge numbers when he was new and at the same point in the late 2010s Eminem was debuting with 300k

 

Also I'm not shading Eminem whatsoever because he's easily the biggest artist this century after Taylor. He's objectively pulling amazing numbers, and I don't even like him - see how easy that was to say? It's just extremely odd to see someone degrade Taylor's current success and inevitable future success (judging by how things are going) in his favor. Especially after what TTPD just did commercially  

People really can't be normal when it comes to Taylor, people who don't like her ALWAYS have to discredit her success somehow 

[mael]

 

[By the Water]

Peter really is incredible. I've been really into it and The Albatross lately

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, mael said:

 

[Raphy23]

Some of my friends are getting the "Reputation Out Now" post from 2017 coming up on their instagram feed. Wtf is happening???? 

[bunton]

36 minutes ago, Raphy23 said:

Some of my friends are getting the "Reputation Out Now" post from 2017 coming up on their instagram feed. Wtf is happening???? 

I got that too! 

[Glamthony]

1 hour ago, Raphy23 said:

Some of my friends are getting the "Reputation Out Now" post from 2017 coming up on their instagram feed. Wtf is happening???? 

I came here running cause i got that too!

[Taylor fanboy]

I moved when "REPUTATION OUT NOW" was on my feed.

[Klein]

7 hours ago, Scheissex said:

Do you mean in terms of theme? Because TTPD is not really known for its cohesiveness

Yes, in terms of theme and story. I know TTPD is not cohesive, but that's actually my main (and pretty much only) criticism towards the album. There's only really one critic of the album that I think is warranted and unfortunately agree with: the album is bloated. 

 

The three main topics that I'm gathering when listening to the album are: Joe, Matty, and how fame can impact her personal life. Most of the songs fall into 1 or 2 of these categories. But then, you still have:

- Travis (So High School)

- Kim Kardashian (thanK you aIMee, Cassandra)

- Childhood (Peter, Robin)

- some songs that are redundant with another (ex: Florida!!!, that says nothing that wasn't already said better on FOTS)

 

That's just... too much. It dilutes the message of the album. And I sadly don't find any reason to include these songs other than just increasing the number of tracks of the album to get better numbers.

 

Imo, TTPD standard should've been about Joe/Matty, and then the deluxe be about the celebrity aspect of the album. That way the deluxe could've come and brought another level of understanding to the demise of her relationships by bringing her fame into it, because sadly, as it is, the deluxe repeats things that have already been said, and brings a ton of new topics on the table that just confuse the overall message. 

 

I think if she wanted to release SHS, TYA, Cassandra, Peter, Robin, etc... (the song I mentioned earlier), it would have been better as vault tracks. Because I think most of these songs are great and wouldn't want them erased from existence.

 

Spoiler

Standard 

1. The Black Dog

2. So Long London

3. Guilty As Sin?

4. The Albatross

5. How Did It End? 

6. Fresh Out The Slammer

7. Fortnight

8. The Alchemy

9. But Daddy I Love Him

10. I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)

11. Down Bad

12. My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys

13. The Prophecy

14. The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived

15. Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus 

16. loml

17. I Can Do It With A Broken Heart

 

Deluxe

18. Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me

19. Clara Bow

20. I Hate It Here

21. The Manuscript

 

Vault (don't get me wrong, I love a lot of these songs, but they are clearly not essentials to TTPD)

The Tortured Poets Department

Florida!!!

imgonnagetyouback

So High School

thanK you aIMee

I Look In People's Windows

Cassandra

Peter

The Bolter

Robin

 

[Kyle-x]

42 minutes ago, Klein said:

Yes, in terms of theme and story. I know TTPD is not cohesive, but that's actually my main (and pretty much only) criticism towards the album. There's only really one critic of the album that I think is warranted and unfortunately agree with: the album is bloated. 

 

The three main topics that I'm gathering when listening to the album are: Joe, Matty, and how fame can impact her personal life. Most of the songs fall into 1 or 2 of these categories. But then, you still have:

- Travis (So High School)

- Kim Kardashian (thanK you aIMee, Cassandra)

- Childhood (Peter, Robin)

- some songs that are redundant with another (ex: Florida!!!, that says nothing that wasn't already said better on FOTS)

 

That's just... too much. It dilutes the message of the album. And I sadly don't find any reason to include these songs other than just increasing the number of tracks of the album to get better numbers.

 

Imo, TTPD standard should've been about Joe/Matty, and then the deluxe be about the celebrity aspect of the album. That way the deluxe could've come and brought another level of understanding to the demise of her relationships by bringing her fame into it, because sadly, as it is, the deluxe repeats things that have already been said, and brings a ton of new topics on the table that just confuse the overall message. 

 

I think if she wanted to release SHS, TYA, Cassandra, Peter, Robin, etc... (the song I mentioned earlier), it would have been better as vault tracks. Because I think most of these songs are great and wouldn't want them erased from existence.

 

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Standard 

1. The Black Dog

2. So Long London

3. Guilty As Sin?

4. The Albatross

5. How Did It End? 

6. Fresh Out The Slammer

7. Fortnight

8. The Alchemy

9. But Daddy I Love Him

10. I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)

11. Down Bad

12. My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys

13. The Prophecy

14. The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived

15. Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus 

16. loml

17. I Can Do It With A Broken Heart

 

Deluxe

18. Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me

19. Clara Bow

20. I Hate It Here

21. The Manuscript

 

Vault (don't get me wrong, I love a lot of these songs, but they are clearly not essentials to TTPD)

The Tortured Poets Department

Florida!!!

imgonnagetyouback

So High School

thanK you aIMee

I Look In People's Windows

Cassandra

Peter

The Bolter

Robin

 

You don't see Peter as being about Matty? The entire song is her positioning herself as Wendy and Matty as Peter. The loose ends left behind after their initial parting in 2014, broken promises, and their inability to find themselves in a timeline where they fit together. "I won't confess that I waited, but I let the lamp burn, as the men masqueraded, I hoped you return" -> literally biding time in each successive relationship while a flame still burned for her eternal muse. The song uses a point of reference from childhood, but that's only a device to illustrate her naivety for believing that one day things would work out between the two as well as provide a direct link to cardigan through the lyrical parallels. It's kind of the perfect song to serve as a prologue to lay the scene for the story that follows.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2024 by Kyle-x

[Kyle-x]

 

oh GAS the crack that you're laced with