Enrique523 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, dalladallamallamalla said: Well for one, Billie has never done anything to indicate she would game shipments/sales to block another artist on Billboard. Taylor has done this about four times now(high profile ones anyways). Let us list some facts: 1) Taylor has delayed and/or pushed up the shipment of special edition bonus track CDs, signed CDs, and a specific vinyl drop to this specific tracking week 2)Taylor dropped three digital variants, each with a different "memo" version of songs when they easily could've been combined onto one and saved her fans $12+. 3)When it became obvious that Billie's album is performing much better than expected and has now a potential top 5 BB100 song in Lunch, she dropped a remix version of Flopnight to try and remain relevant on the chart. 4) Taylor managed to save doing ALL of these things for the week another big, queer FEMALE artist drops a highly anticipated project. This shows Taylor's inability to let anyone else shine for even a moment. Jokes on her because based on Billie's numbers today, this album is far more stable than anything Taylor has released in years. A -0.01% drop in streams on Spotify on your 5th day is almost unheard of. That is organic, global demand. "Flopnight" thanks for proving my point, that you are just a blind, immature hater. Great to see how much you follow Taylor's every move, you are such a secret stan Also, Billie's album hasn't even been out for a whole week and she may even get blocked by Taylor herself, HOW EXACTLY is Taylor less successful here? How do you know the album will be stable in the future? Billie would be LUCKY if her all time pure sales for this album will be the same as Taylor's first week sales alone 3
roso Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Just now, dalladallamallamalla said: Well for one, Billie has never done anything to indicate she would game shipments/sales to block another artist on Billboard. Taylor has done this about four times now(high profile ones anyways). Let us list some facts: 1) Taylor has delayed the shipment of special edition bonus track CDs, signed CDs, and a specific vinyl drop. 2)Taylor dropped three digital variants, each with a different "memo" version of songs when they easily could've been combined onto one and saved her fans $12+. 3)When it became obvious that Billie's album is performing much better than expected and has now a potential top 5 BB100 song in Lunch, she dropped a remix version of Flopnight to try and remain relevant on the chart. 4) Taylor managed to save doing ALL of these things for the week another big, queer FEMALE artist drops a highly anticipated project. This shows Taylor's inability to let anyone else shine for even a moment. Jokes on her because based on Billie's numbers today, this album is far more stable than anything Taylor has released in years. A -0.01% drop in streams on Spotify on your 5th day is almost unheard of. That is organic, global demand. You're gonna have to stop derailing this thread with your soliloquies, go to HDD's thread if you want to complain 7
Lemon Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Wait, are Taylor's detractors really keeping up with her music threads here just so they can start arguments with her fans? A shame really since there are sooo many healthy hobbies to be explored out there.
roso Posted May 22 Posted May 22 I keep hearing the live piano version when I listen to this song, she really did that 1
Hunter_13 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 We declared Taylor Swift should be a bigger bully. Drop some more remixes on Friday, queen! 1 5
dalladallamallamalla Posted May 22 Posted May 22 6 minutes ago, roso said: You're gonna have to stop derailing this thread with your soliloquies, go to HDD's thread if you want to complain I'm just doing what y'all do on every platform to literally every other fanbase and artist right now, except I brought facts that don't line up with your rose-tinted image of IRL Cersei. Who are even your favs allies at this point? Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie Puth who have both publicly praised HMHAS and are silent on TTPD? You guys are too funny. 4 3
PoisonedIvy Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, dalladallamallamalla said: I'm just doing what y'all do on every platform to literally every other fanbase and artist right now, except I brought facts that don't line up with your rose-tinted image of IRL Cersei. Who are even your favs allies at this point? Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie Puth who have both publicly praised HMHAS and are silent on TTPD? You guys are too funny. ??? Camila literally just praised Taylor's songwriting yesterday. Which is funny because a lot of yall are convinced Taylor "used her and then dropped her" which was never the case at all Yall are always assuming people don't **** with Taylor when in reality pretty much the whole industry does. The Grammys are literally VOTED on by her peers in the industry. She's so much more respected than you guys give her credit for, and everyone who actually meets her only says nice things. 6 1
Enrique523 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Feanor said: Billie is not entitled to an #1 debut whereas Taylor had won an award. Those two things are not comparable in any way. Charts by nature don't operate on the "one for me, one for you" principle, they're based on competition. And the industry can continue "rolling their eyes" as much as they want. None of this is affectting Taylor's sales, streams or ticket sales, so "in a few years" Taylor will continue to smash and this chart "battle" will be forgotten just like all other chart battles in history, cause at the end of the day, it's not that serious. The fact that people like dalalamasomething cares so much about what the industry has to say is REALLY hilarious. The industry has never been neutral in any way, this is the same industry that made pop stars like Britney Spears loses their minds. This is the same industry that continually put women down once they consider they've been at the top for too long. This is the same industry that told people that Madonna was a talentless hack that f*cked her way to the top and had nothing to offer artistically. Did that stop Madonna from becoming MADONNA? Absolutely not. Who cares what the industry has to say seriously? Taylor's legacy is already set in stone, NOBODY is gonna remember those petty stan wars and biased articles in the future. But Taylor's dominance and accomplishments? Oh it's gonna be remembered, trust me. But dalalamalalasomething says otherwise so it must be true i guess 1 1
DevilsRollTheDice Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Y'all imagine being an OTH, it must be hard that she'll never give them peace,mp3. OT: The album continuing to out perform Midnights. The last four years have truly been the gift that keeps on giving 6
Feanor Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, dalladallamallamalla said: Well for one, Billie has never done anything to indicate she would game shipments/sales to block another artist on Billboard. Taylor has done this about four times now(high profile ones anyways). Let us list some facts: 1) Taylor has delayed and/or pushed up the shipment of special edition bonus track CDs, signed CDs, and a specific vinyl drop to this specific tracking week 2)Taylor dropped three digital variants, each with a different "memo" version of songs when they easily could've been combined onto one and saved her fans $12+. 3)When it became obvious that Billie's album is performing much better than expected and has now a potential top 5 BB100 song in Lunch, she dropped a remix version of Flopnight to try and remain relevant on the chart. Once again, charts are a competitive game. Taylor has every right to ship her albums whenever she decides to if she wants to stay #1. Billie herself already said she doesn't care about charts, so why should Taylor forfeit her chance at spending another week at #1 when 1. Billie doesn't care and 2. it's perfectly acceptable for Taylor to further the success of her album? 1 minute ago, dalladallamallamalla said: 4) Taylor managed to save doing ALL of these things for the week another big, queer FEMALE artist drops a highly anticipated project. This shows Taylor's inability to let anyone else shine for even a moment. And again, no one is automatically entitled to a #1 on the Billboard charts because of their status or sexuality. 1 minute ago, dalladallamallamalla said: Jokes on her because based on Billie's numbers today, this album is far more stable than anything Taylor has released in years. A -0.01% drop in streams on Spotify on your 5th day is almost unheard of. That is organic, global demand. Here we go again with those arbitrary percentages to judge the stability of an album. 'Radical Optimism' has had better percentage drops than recent Taylor Swift albums as well. Does that now mean it's "far more stable" too? On its 5th day, 'TTPD' still did well over 100M+ streams on Spotify, and the album itself is now already at almost 4M units just in the US alone after 5 weeks. A percentage is not "organic, global demand", organic, global streams & sales are. 2 minutes ago, dalladallamallamalla said: I'm just doing what y'all do on every platform to literally every other fanbase and artist right now, except I brought facts that don't line up with your rose-tinted image of IRL Cersei. Who are even your favs allies at this point? Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie Puth who have both publicly praised HMHAS and are silent on TTPD? You guys are too funny. "Cersei", "favs allies"… do you think is a medieval fantasy war simulator game? I think Taylor is perfectly fine with having the "alliance" of the GP, who have given her the biggest and most consumed album of the year. Maybe others should seek it too, perhaps then they wouldn't have two bomb albums in a row in their discography. 3 2
TMRA Posted May 22 Posted May 22 I 100% agree with some of the takes here. Its a healthy competition and at the end of the day everyone profits from this "number one" war, Billie and Taylors teams BOTH. If we are being real and If Taylor was THAT petty she would release The Anthology physical CDs and this battle would be over in 3 seconds. 1
Badgalbriel Posted May 22 Posted May 22 13 minutes ago, dalladallamallamalla said: I'm just doing what y'all do on every platform to literally every other fanbase and artist right now, except I brought facts that don't line up with your rose-tinted image of IRL Cersei. Who are even your favs allies at this point? Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie Puth who have both publicly praised HMHAS and are silent on TTPD? You guys are too funny. Silent? Do you even know anything about Charlie to post this? He literally released a song yesterday and thanked Taylor for it.
dalladallamallamalla Posted May 22 Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, Feanor said: I'm not going to respond to the other nonsense, but Kacey's "Golden Hour" debuted at #4 on Billboard and won AOTY for a reason. Deeper Well is definitely in the discussion yet again. Generic, mass appeal brings you sales because people need decent music to run errands to, clean the house, etc. That is Taylor's target demo. To conflate art with charts and sales success is a losing game. Many, many acts of the past had strong sales and are still generic, easy listening music (Backstreet Boys and NSYNC come to mind). All Taylor Swift has since Folklore is "but it charted and sold a bunch". Yeah of course it did, you're over 20 years into your career and are the biggest artist in the game right now. 1 1
HappierJealousy Posted May 22 Posted May 22 15 minutes ago, dalladallamallamalla said: I'm just doing what y'all do on every platform to literally every other fanbase and artist right now, except I brought facts that don't line up with your rose-tinted image of IRL Cersei. Who are even your favs allies at this point? Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie Puth who have both publicly praised HMHAS and are silent on TTPD? You guys are too funny. Literally speechless. All these fanbase are jealous of Taylor and come together and attack her and it end up making her bigger is the funniest thing I have witnessed in the recent years, prove that stan world is just nonsense and has zero influence on real life. "Favs allies"… are you talking about how Taylor was so supportive to Billie since the day she debut and what she gave back is consistently shading Taylor even though Taylor never said anything negative about her? She broke her relationship with Taylor, not the other way around 6
Enrique523 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, dalladallamallamalla said: I'm just doing what y'all do on every platform to literally every other fanbase and artist right now, except I brought facts that don't line up with your rose-tinted image of IRL Cersei. Who are even your favs allies at this point? Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie Puth who have both publicly praised HMHAS and are silent on TTPD? You guys are too funny. Oh please, STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM ALREADY "IRL Cersei" i swear you are really living in another reality. Billie is literally the only one who shaded Taylor, how is Taylor the bad guy exactly? 8
Mandalore Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) Y'all can use the report button fyi This is the TTPD thread, not the "my fave might not go #1 and y'all have to deal with me breaking down" thread Edited May 22 by Mandalore 3
HappierJealousy Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) 7 minutes ago, dalladallamallamalla said: All Taylor Swift has since Folklore is "but it charted and sold a bunch". Evermore is considered as her best album by so many fans, Midnights won her 4th AOTY, and Red TV is her most acclaimed album to date 7 minutes ago, dalladallamallamalla said: That is Taylor's target demo. To conflate art with charts and sales success is a losing game. So what is for art and what's for chart? According to who? 7 minutes ago, dalladallamallamalla said: Yeah of course it did, you're over 20 years into your career and are the biggest artist in the game right now. Is this a praise? Edited May 22 by HappierJealousy 1
Feanor Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Just now, dalladallamallamalla said: I'm not going to respond to the other nonsense, Of course you won't, because there's no feasible way for you to argue that an album that has sold millions of units with billions of streams in one month is anything but "global, organic demand". Just now, dalladallamallamalla said: but Kacey's "Golden Hour" debuted at #4 on Billboard and won AOTY for a reason. Deeper Well is definitely in the discussion yet again. How fortunate for Taylor that 'TTPD' is also a main contender in this year's AOTY discussions then. Just now, dalladallamallamalla said: Generic, mass appeal brings you sales because people need decent music to run errands to, clean the house, etc. That is Taylor's target demo. To conflate art with charts and sales success is a losing game. Many, many acts of the past had strong sales and are still generic, easy listening music (Backstreet Boys and NSYNC come to mind). So let's not do it then. Let's treat charts for the raw, numerically & business oriented, competitive game they are. Therefore Taylor is not taking away anything from Billie and all of your meltdowns are unfounded. Just now, dalladallamallamalla said: All Taylor Swift has since Folklore is another… 2 minutes ago, dalladallamallamalla said: AOTY for a reason Funny how that AOTY is a positive for Kacey, but suddenly not for Taylor. 2
By the Water Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Trying to use AOTY as drag and then switching to claim Taylor's albums are "made for the charts" in the same post 1 3
Dear Reader Posted May 22 Posted May 22 You know, I like Billie, but some of her stans here make it really hard to stay sane Spoiler this post contains sarcasm. i'm just using the same argument as the THOTS
Enrique523 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, dalladallamallamalla said: I'm not going to respond to the other nonsense The only one spreading nonsense here is you. Acting as if Billie is somehow more commercially successful than TAYLOR FREAKING SWIFT is the purest definition of nonsense 2
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