Communion Posted April 19 Posted April 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Harrier said: it attacked Israel directly (which Israel had not yet done to Iran One would say murdering Iranian citizens while also violating a 3rd country's air space via drone striking a consulate is a literal escalation. Edited April 19 by Communion 2 1 1
Twixters Posted April 19 Posted April 19 (edited) The United States and Israel's allies has no one to blame but themselves. They should have strong armed Israel and shut them down months ago. I hope at the least all the other allies pull out cause the United States basically wants all her stepchildren to fight proxy wars for her. She has Ukraine fighting Russia's Israel fighting Iran and Next will be Taiwan fighting china. Edited April 19 by Twixters 1
welham Posted April 19 Posted April 19 I'm no damn expert, but: tbh, all Iran has to do is sit on the side quietly and Israel will continue to tear itself (and US' reputation) apart with the war on Gaza-and I suspect Iran knows this. The Iranians, according to what I just read on Aljazeera, are already saying that it's "unclear who is behind the attack" and that it didn't cause any serious damages (they could be lying their asses off, of course, but still). They're already distancing themselves from a direct response similar to earlier this week since whatever damages this attack caused, it seems too minimal to risk a response. If they want to "send a message back," they'll probably just have one of their proxies do it. The idea that Israel wanted to send a message that it can strike anywhere and anytime in the heart of Iran feels somewhat weird, because I'm sure Iranians are also aware of that. I believe it's either or likely both of two things: 1) Israel still believes that its traditional military/"defense" mentality of "might will make things right"; something the Hamas attack, and the war on Gaza that followed, and Israeli strikes on Iranian interests+proxies in the region all proved it to be insufficient to say the least in being enough of a deterrent. 2) Feeding the Israeli public's calls for revenge for Iran's attack, especially right-wingers ("moderate" or otherwise) and even a good chunk of the "center." On almost every single social media post about the attack, most comments, all of the top ones, SALIVATED for a "strong" attack that will "teach Iran a lesson" (i.e. the mentality in point 1). The US did not want the war to expand, so Israel had to "balance" their response. Some (because it's too early to gauge if it's most) right-wingers are not happy with this response (see Ben-Gvir's "scarecrow" tweet in vague reference to today's strikes), but I got the feeling this will tame public demand for striking Iran enough for now. On a separate but not totally-unrelated note: the Israeli public's support for the IDF as an institution is sometimes funny af. A Israeli news outlet posted an article in which the author questioned the IDF spokesperson's claim of downing over 99% of the Iranian attack and estimating the real rate to be somewhere around 84%. The social media meltdowns in response (in Hebrew, of course) to the article were hilarious, basically calling the article's author name traitor/an asset for Iran and attacking him for "daring" to question the IDF spokesperson -especially publicly and in a news article. Some comments that popped up enough times to be noted were "even if the IDF spokesperson lies/exaggerated his numbers, so what?" And I'm saying "funny" instead of "scary" because from what I've seen and heard from large swaths of the Israeli public in the last six to seven months, there's nothing shocking to me in all of this 4
ClashAndBurn Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Soooooo Biden lied about what he would and would not help Israel with? Shocker. 1
Glam Posted April 22 Posted April 22 On 4/19/2024 at 2:58 AM, Twixters said: The United States and Israel's allies has no one to blame but themselves. They should have strong armed Israel and shut them down months ago. I hope at the least all the other allies pull out cause the United States basically wants all her stepchildren to fight proxy wars for her. She has Ukraine fighting Russia's Israel fighting Iran and Next will be Taiwan fighting china. Even though it's a fact that the US and Israel are BFFs, I think it's reasonable to say Israel hates Iran without the need of the US whispering anything to them. The ties Iran has with Hamas and Hezbollah are more than enough reason for them. I'd say both countries' geo political interests overlap.
Chemist Posted August 5 Author Posted August 5 4 minutes ago, nathanspears said: "Next 24 hours", they say that literally every day U.S. intelligence has been very accurate recently. They predicted almost perfectly when Russia would attack Ukraine. Same when Iran attacked Israel a few months ago
Bosque Posted August 7 Posted August 7 (edited) 19 minutes ago, nathanspears said: Has Iran changed their mind? Iran isn't going to do anything. When the USA and Russia both agree that you need to calm down, it's over. Plus Putin actually has influence on them Edited August 7 by Bosque
Chemist Posted August 8 Author Posted August 8 On 8/7/2024 at 1:02 PM, nathanspears said: Has Iran changed their mind?
SmittenCake Posted August 12 Posted August 12 3 hours ago, Chemist said: Why do they need to make announcements days in advance?
Nova_23 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 It happened. They hit Israel and the iron dome failed. Poke a bear long enough and they're eventually going to respond. Seems the assassination of Hassan Nassrallah and their involvement in Lebanon was the red line that Israel crossed for Iran.
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