Mydilemma2.0 Posted April 14 Posted April 14 2 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: Why would you feel "secondhand embarrassment" for Iran when that's the goal. If Iran wanted to infiltrate the Iron Dome and kill thousands, they would have done it. This wasn't a "fail" for Iran by any means they did try tho lol. just failed Israel again proved how strong they are, good. 1
Communion Posted April 14 Posted April 14 (edited) 6 hours ago, Minogue said: International support is the highest it's been since before the Gaza invasion, Saudi Arabia & Jordan shot down drones seems like a silent alliance. Abraham accords definitely still on the table. I'm curious what people who say this talking point think they're convincing peopoe of. Jordan shot down missiles that entered their air space because these missiles can fail and not make it to Israel, instead killing their own citizens. Just as it would shoot down missiles Israel illegally fire at Iran which fly over their air space. Countries are not missile highways. Which is why you have nations like Egypt who shoot down missiles that both are aimed at Israel and shoot down missiles Israel launches at others. This framing of Iran as some pariah in the region is odd. What is the goal in trying to convince people nations like Egypt, Jordan, and others are not part of a 3rd way neutral stance and are actively pro Israel? Neither nation supports Israel's goals of expelling 2M Palestinians and are often at odds with the Israeli government over its meddling in their own nations' affairs with Palestine (see: Egypt trying to allow in aid yet Israel clossing the Rafah crossing despite it being a border between Egypt and Gaza, not Israel). Edited April 14 by Communion 1
GhostBox Posted April 14 Posted April 14 Just now, State of Grace. said: Why would you feel "secondhand embarrassment" for Iran when that's the goal. If Iran wanted to infiltrate the Iron Dome and kill thousands, they would have done it. This wasn't a "fail" for Iran by any means Well now they just look weak. Not to mention the fact their actions brought together countries in defense of Isreal that you wouldn't really think would've. 💀 it was a strategic failure.
State of Grace. Posted April 14 Posted April 14 Just now, Mydilemma2.0 said: they did try tho lol. just failed Israel again proved how strong they are, good. Here they go. Another Israeli coming here to brag about how STRONG and POWERFUL Israel is and how it could easy SLAP all of our countries 5
Mydilemma2.0 Posted April 14 Posted April 14 Just now, State of Grace. said: Here they go. Another Israeli coming here to brag about how STRONG and POWERFUL Israel is and how it could easy SLAP all of our countries no one said that tho? you are just mad that Israel managed to cover her citizens from 400+ rockets. It's not new that you wanted all the Israelis to die from that attack, stay mad. 2 6
State of Grace. Posted April 14 Posted April 14 Just now, GhostBox said: Well now they just look weak. Not to mention the fact their actions brought together countries in defense of Isreal that you wouldn't really think would've. 💀 it was a strategic failure. Only Zionists believe this delusion Israel doesnt have this huge international support that you're talking about. 1 1
State of Grace. Posted April 14 Posted April 14 Just now, Mydilemma2.0 said: no one said that tho? you are just mad that Israel managed to cover her citizens from 400+ rockets. It's not new that you wanted all the Israelis to die from that attack, stay mad. I'm the mad and angry one yes 3
GhostBox Posted April 14 Posted April 14 3 hours ago, Harrier said: I am relieved that Iran's attack was a flop, as it gives Bibi less political capital to escalate as his warmongering ass wants so badly. While at the same time, at least Israel now knows it cannot continue its aggression with no response. Probably the best outcome from it, at least so far Also pleased that the Iranian regime does seem to be operating in reality and it knows war with Israel/US is not in its interests I pretty much agree with everything you typed 👏🏼 I feel like this is just gonna be a one time thing and not progress any further
GhostBox Posted April 14 Posted April 14 1 minute ago, State of Grace. said: Only Zionists believe this delusion Israel doesnt have this huge international support that you're talking about. They might not long term. but this incident showed these countries aren't going to put up with Iran's behavior either 🤷
Communion Posted April 14 Posted April 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Well now they just look weak Please stick to bougiseie American elections. Regional experts have largely agreed this was a successful act of deterrence for Iran, who has now caused Israel to go running to America screaming for boots on the ground assistance, only for America to seemingly reject such. Israel now knows any future act of escalation - which is what started this, Israel breaking regional norms and attacking Iranians in a 3rd country - will be met with Iran giving back an equally harsh response and little hunger from allies to escalate further. Edited April 14 by Communion 1 1
ZeroSuitBritney Posted April 14 Posted April 14 Still waiting on EmptyBox's proof that Biden has condemned Israel in the past 6 months. 2
Ayanaa Posted April 14 Posted April 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Communion said: Please stick to bougiseie American elections. Regional experts have largely agreed this was a successful act of deterrence for Iran, who has now caused Israel to go running to America screaming for boots on the ground assistance, only for America to seemingly reject such. LOL what kind of pro-Iran experts are u listening to? saving face and having honor is a huge thing for the mullahs and islamists in general, and lets be hones they DO look weak in the face of the world now. 1 or 2 biased 'experts' is nothing . the **** is an expert anyway Edited April 14 by Ayanaa 1
Jjang Posted April 14 Posted April 14 10 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: I'm the mad and angry one yes "stay mad we get to kill 20,000 children. WERE STRONG" 1 3
Glam Posted April 14 Posted April 14 5 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: Why would you feel "secondhand embarrassment" for Iran when that's the goal. If Iran wanted to infiltrate the Iron Dome and kill thousands, they would have done it. This wasn't a "fail" for Iran by any means What was their goal then? Don't tell me the goal was to prove to Israel that they shouldn't attack their embassies. That's not how Israel works. If you give Israel a slap on the face, they will throw a grenade at you. That's how it's been for a while. I used to think Iran and their allies in the middle east were desperate, but at this point I'm starting to think they are suicidal. 1
Communion Posted April 14 Posted April 14 5 minutes ago, GhostBox said: They might not long term. but this incident showed these countries aren't going to put up with Iran's behavior either 🤷 Again, this is just illiteracy to what reality is within the region. The #1 goal for the vast majority of nations is peace through deterrence. Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, nations whose state governments fall and become led by terror cells aided by US tax dollars, etc. all promote instability in the region. Israel violating Syria's airspace to attack Iranians was an escalation and rejection of current norms. Iran actually responding to such a provocation themselves instead of thorough proxies is then an act of deterrence to let Israel know it can go *** for tat. Israel's allies and regional neighbors now look to Israel and will not side with Israel if their government does the insane thing of trying to further escalate a conflict they started. America has already signaled it's not going to be pulled into regional warfare.
Communion Posted April 14 Posted April 14 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ayanaa said: LOL what kind of pro-Iran experts are u listening to? saving face and having honor is a huge thing for the mullahs and islamists in general, and lets be hones they DO look weak in the face of the world now. 1 or 2 biased 'experts' is nothing . the **** is an expert anyway "It's pro-Iran to recognize the reality of Iran's military strength". What kind of neo-con nonsense? Both Israel & Iran have extremely strong militaries. Iran could destroy Israel and do huge damage to America if it ever found themselves directly in war with the US - they just know involvement in the US would also lead to Iran being destroyed alongside Israel (deterrence is good, see?). No one is happy about that. No one thinks such is good. But it's reality. And this reality is why it is bad that one of them (Israel) is actively attacking the other (Iran) and trying to create a regional war. In a geopolitics all about throwing bigger and bigger rocks at one another to show deterrence and strength, It's simply dishonest to frame Israel as a trusted regional player to anyone when every nation in the region fears its government is the only one who will actually bring a gun to a fight with rocks after getting whacked back with a rock bigger than the one they originally threw. Edited April 14 by Communion
GhostBox Posted April 14 Posted April 14 4 minutes ago, Communion said: America has already signaled it's not going to be pulled into regional warfare. And thankfully Biden is President and in charge and not Trump and the gop. Cause then we would be
Communion Posted April 14 Posted April 14 3 minutes ago, GhostBox said: And thankfully Biden is President and in charge and not Trump and the gop. Cause then we would be Sadly this confirms Joe's views on Israel are religion fueled as he seemingly understands Bibi is playing him into attacking Iran yet seemingly can't see (or believes In a bigger prophecy) that the US is being played into aiding the destruction of 2M Palestinians. It leaves anyone with common sense with the impression Biden thinks the borders of Israel should be free of any non-Jew for.... *some* reason.
GhostBox Posted April 14 Posted April 14 8 minutes ago, Kassi said: I love Joe Biden so much Imagine if trump was president we would be at war any minute 💀 he would've already sent troops to Gaza as well.
Maroonx Posted April 14 Posted April 14 I can already see a WW3 brewing... I'm so over all these wars ffs
Kassi Posted April 14 Posted April 14 4 hours ago, Minogue said: I don't even understand the debate in this thread. You can be anti Israel, pro Hamas, pro Iran, Marxist and still acknowledge that yesterday was a total fail. Same. Similarly, you can be anti-Israel, anti-Hamas, anti-Houthis, anti-Saudi, anti-Iran, and capitalist and acknowledge that the Middle East has been a mess since the first recorded war in history took place in Mesopotamia around 2700 B.C. during the ED period, between the forces of Sumer and Elam. Meanwhile, the US is a nation that ends wars. Turning fierce adversaries such as Japan and Germany into prized allies, while defanging threats to regional stability like China and Russia. We stand as a beacon of hope and freedom, unmatched by any in history. That's why it makes no sense to prioritize the governments of all of these other countries over the chosen one. 7
Ayanaa Posted April 14 Posted April 14 1 minute ago, Communion said: "It's pro-Iran to recognize the reality of Iran's military strength". What kind of neo-con nonsense? Both Israel & Iran have extremely strong militaries. Iran could destroy Israel and do huge damage to America if it ever found themselves directly in war with the US - they just know involvement in the US would also lead to Iran being destroyed alongside Israel (deterrence is good, see?). No one is happy about that. No one thinks such is good. But it's reality. And this reality is why it is bad that one of them (Israel) is actively attacking the other (Iran) and trying to create a regional war. Israel has been trying to create a regional war? seriously. This war started a LONG time ago. Not just some weeks ago when Israel assasinated those Iran/hezbollah whatever officials. Iran BEEN harrassing the regio and in some way the west for a long time, actually right since the islamists took over in 1979. November 4 1979: 66 american diplomats being held hostage for 444 days in Tehran and so it began. These superstitious religious fanatics are dangerous as **** and the regime needs to be replaced for the sake of free people, for the sake of the world. Call it neo-con what u want, I just want freedom for the poor women in Iran, having them feel the breeze trough their hair. 1 1
alexrex Posted April 14 Posted April 14 (edited) This starts to develop into a WW, with other countries stepping into the current conflicts. All because of human stupidity. Guess that's our nature. Kinda disappointing. Edited April 14 by alexrex
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