celeb news St. Vincent on Madonna: We don't need a straight person as a spokesperson for gayness

[Juánny]

I do believe some of what she's saying is being a tad misrepresented or misunderstood here. From watching what she says in the full clip it is clear she is a huge fan of Madonna, she went to the Celebration Tour and said she cried during the Live To Tell performance. In the full interview she does speak a lot to how impactful it was for Madonna to have supported the LGBTQ+ community in the 80s and 90s when nobody else would, advocating for issues facing gay men particularly during the onset of the AIDS epidemic, and that she helped so many people in real ways during that span of time. None of what she's said should lead us to think she's dismissing Madonna's contributions to our community. I believe what she means to say is that queer people can be their own spokespeople in today's day and age, we have a bigger voice, bigger platforms, and more power in our self-determination and partially due to the advocacy of people like Madonna. In essence, we don't need straight people to speak for us necessarily in today's day and age. But as others have said we do in a very existential way need their allyship, which I think is important to draw the distinction with. 

 

In the moment I believe it was erroneous of her to assume Madonna is straight. I'll admit I thought Madonna was straight too for some reason, it can be an easy mistake to make on the fly to assume she is because it can be hard to even find confirmation of it online. Madonna still fits into a heteronormative framework relatively cleanly in ways other LGBTQ+ folks can't or will never be able to: she married the opposite sex (twice), publicly dated almost exclusively men, had children, is a mother, is cis female, etc. But all that aside, the assumption of her straightness doesn't necessarily take away from her main thesis that I think we can start to think about at least. I do believe the ship has sailed on us needed straight people to talk for us, and us to start speaking up for ourselves on higher platforms. 

[ImpressMeMuch]

big month for queer artists being ignorant of their community's history!

 

 

Edited April 10 by ImpressMeMuch

[KatyPrismSpirit]

2 minutes ago, Johnny said:

I do believe some of what she's saying is being a tad misrepresented or misunderstood here. From watching what she says in the full clip it is clear she is a huge fan of Madonna, she went to the Celebration Tour and said she cried during the Live To Tell performance. In the full interview she does speak a lot to how impactful it was for Madonna to have supported the LGBTQ+ community in the 80s and 90s when nobody else would, advocating for issues facing gay men particularly during the onset of the AIDS epidemic, and that she helped so many people in real ways during that span of time. None of what she's said should lead us to think she's dismissing Madonna's contributions to our community. I believe what she means to say is that queer people can be their own spokespeople in today's day and age, we have a bigger voice, bigger platforms, and more power in our self-determination and partially due to the advocacy of people like Madonna. In essence, we don't need straight people to speak for us necessarily in today's day and age. But as others have said we do in a very existential way need their allyship, which I think is important to draw the distinction with. 

 

In the moment I believe it was erroneous of her to assume Madonna is straight. I'll admit I thought Madonna was straight too for some reason, it can be an easy mistake to make on the fly to assume she is because it can be hard to even find confirmation of it online. Madonna still fits into a heteronormative framework relatively cleanly in ways other LGBTQ+ folks can't or will never be able to: she married the opposite sex (twice), dated almost exclusively men, had children, is a mother, is cis female, etc. But all that aside, the assumption of her straightness doesn't necessarily take away from her main thesis that I think we can start to think about at least. I do believe the ship has sailed on us needed straight people to talk for us, and us to start speaking up for ourselves on higher platforms. 

very well written post 

[Princess Aurora]

Madonna said she was gay though

[Riverbank]

I see no lies

 

And if the pressed homos in here actually watched the clip, they'd see that she wasn't shading her at all. She literally went on to praise her in the next sentence

[Katamari]

everyone falling for the clickbait

[State of Grace.]

I watched the interview and she wasn't coming for Madonna and her advocacy at all. I do think that she has a point, but straight allies are unfortunately still needed imo, let alone in the 80s/90s. Things are way different and better now so when you position yourself as an ally, you shouldn't take over the conversation and become the face of the movement instead of the people you were fighting for. You have to expect that people will come for your allyship too.

 

Madonna never claimed to be a representative/spokesperson for the queer community afaik. That said, I don't like the way some of her fans (and even non-fans since its a common sentiment in our community) always credit her and other allies for our rights instead of the queer people of color who died fighting oppression, bigotry, etc.

Edited April 10 by State of Grace.

[spiritboy]

Reading some of the comments here bashing Madonna, you deserve all the hate and homophobia you face. Hope it gets worse for those ungrateful gays.

[State of Grace.]

Just now, spiritboy said:

Reading some of the comments here bashing Madonna, you deserve all the hate and homophobia you face. Hope it gets worse for those ungrateful gays.

Like this one  

[ricardoazevedo]

1 hour ago, MatiRod said:

Madonna has never claimed to represent gay people, she stood up for us in a time when no one else would 

And gay people like to forget that....

[brenda-walsh]

i mean, Madonna isn't even straight 

[ricardoazevedo]

1 hour ago, liquiddiamonds said:

This The Help ass **** narrative. Gay people fought for gay people's rights. We are the ones that fought back oppression for our ******* rights and had to resist straight opression for generations. It's our ******* blood, especially after the AIDS crisis. WE made the motherfucking noise. Regardless of Madonna.
 

The fact y'all want us to THANK a straight person before recognizing our own is what is incredibly uneducated 

And is uneducated not to thank a person who supported in a time no one wanted to suport. Its spitting in a plate you eated.... She always said how grateful she was to the gay comunity how suported her when she arrived to NY and in all her career, and why the gay comunity doesnt want to suport her now?

[Ewan Chaos]

The amount of people on the first page lacking critical thinking and jumping straight to a conclusion after reading the title, not even attempting to look for additional context  Stan culture is a DISEASE!

[.Odyssey.]

After the speech that she made last night in Miami about Pulse and standing with gay people that literally had me BAWLING….

 

….shut the **** up, ungrateful woman 

[liquiddiamonds]

18 minutes ago, ricardoazevedo said:

And is uneducated not to thank a person who supported in a time no one wanted to suport. Its spitting in a plate you eated.... She always said how grateful she was to the gay comunity how suported her when she arrived to NY and in all her career, and why the gay comunity doesnt want to suport her now?

She has had enough thanks 

[rihannafan]

Yes we dont need a zionist to speak for us

[ricardoazevedo]

6 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said:

She has had enough thanks 

They are never enough...... i will thank her until my last day on earth...

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

I think she needs to shut up. As if she saw her in the 80s when everyone was avoiding talks about gays.

Grow up 

[ricardoazevedo]

5 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

Yes we dont need a zionist to speak for us

One time The zionist was good to speak publicly for yourself

[JoeAg]

Madonna is most certainly bi, but St. Vincent spilled. she also is NOT coming for Madonna here, I think this is poor timing and very much taken out of context

 

anyway. 3 talented, sexy queer legends are present here. Annie, Jake, and Madonna 

[ricardoazevedo]

6 minutes ago, shyboi said:

is time we stop putting straight women on a pedestal just because they throw us a bone to make sure we buy their albums, tour tickets etc 

Its time to stop saying stupid things... don`t speak if you don`t have any positive to say...

[JoeAg]

1 hour ago, Alongoria13 said:

Lol if you watch the entire interview not only that clip she gives Madonna her flowers, but her point is totally taken out of context, leave Queen Vincent alone thx! xx

 

Saint Vincent is a huge Madonna stan btw, her favorite era is Erotica and even wrote songs for her in 2012.

forever sad that we never got a Madonna demo of Psychopath 

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

12 minutes ago, shyboi said:

is time we stop putting straight women on a pedestal just because they throw us a bone to make sure we buy their albums, tour tickets etc 

Like your favorite did. Monster

[Dareeyecare]

Wow WATCH THE INTERVIEW instead of get rage from clickbait captions - she literally praises the hell out of Madonna and what Madonna did for sexuality in general to quite an extent 

 

some people.

 

Madonna and ST Vincent are both icons 
 

the internet realllllly sucks sometimes 

Edited April 10 by Dareeyecare

[wanderlust]

16 minutes ago, shyboi said:

is time we stop putting straight women on a pedestal just because they throw us a bone to make sure we buy their albums, tour tickets etc 

madonna went to hospitals visiting aids patients who were abandoned by their own families. nurses later said she was nicknamed "Dorothy" (from the wizard of oz). she smuggled experimental drugs from Mexico just hoping it would help.. all of this in the 80s.. behind the scenes.. she was just on stage a few hours ago honouring the victims of pulse, crying.. she doesnt need to say or do anything like this but still knows it's important. you should be ashamed of yourself.