KatyPrismSpirit Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 An artist as big as j Cole shouldn't be getting away with these weirdly transphobic lines anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenofCopyPaste Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 No one will bat an eye because It's "gangsta rap" 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseGold Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Rappers and the majority of people who listen do not care about it. That's why he gets away with it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a Gay on ATRL Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I love a bunch of rap music, but rap as a genre has yet to see the day it is called out for its allowance of homophobia and transphobia still in 2024. Kendrick has also used transphobic lyrics btw - I'm shocked he never get dragged for one of his lyrics in DNA "cause yous a yous a yous a *****, your hormones prolly switch inside your DNA" - which is like blatantly transphobic. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 the lyric was a choice. but lets not act like the rap community/diss tracks are gonna be respectful. 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanders Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 And listeners are probably gonna love it *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbiegrande Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Just a Gay on ATRL said: I love a bunch of rap music, but rap as a genre has yet to see the day it is called out for its allowance of homophobia and transphobia still in 2024. Kendrick has also used transphobic lyrics btw - I'm shocked he never get dragged for one of his lyrics in DNA "cause yous a yous a yous a *****, your hormones prolly switch inside your DNA" - which is like blatantly transphobic. He made a whole tribute song to his trans relative. People are more nuanced than 100% pro or 100% anti lgbtq 5 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Aurora Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trustdaprocess Posted April 5 Popular Post Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, barbiegrande said: He made a whole tribute song to his trans relative. People are more nuanced than 100% pro or 100% anti lgbtq Theres no such thing as being "nuanced" when it comes to trans rights to live freely without fear of being k!lled / beaten up / rejected. 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenBLadyG Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I love J but, there really is no reason to be promoting transphobia in 2024. They have it hard enough. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imabadkid Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) the crazy thing is a lot of rappers pass trans girls around… idk if J Cole is one but yikes. I like rap as a genre but there's soooo much hypocrisy it's insane. A lot of rappers lack basic self awareness, it's exhausting. Edited April 5 by imabadkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post liquiddiamonds Posted April 5 Popular Post Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, trustdaprocess said: Theres no such thing as being "nuanced" when it comes to trans rights to live freely without fear of being k!lled / beaten up / rejected. Kendrick's song was about him coming to terms with his own prejudice and accepting his trans relative. He just used the slur as narrative means of where he used to stand at. It's no different from white screenwriters or writers using the n-word for characters… but I understood the controversy and he got heat for that. Cole on the other hand is simply saying that his competitions is filed with man with *******, therefore trans and not masc like him. It's completely different and pure prejudice and hatred 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbiegrande Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 7 minutes ago, trustdaprocess said: Theres no such thing as being "nuanced" when it comes to trans rights to live freely without fear of being k!lled / beaten up / rejected. There's nuance in rap lyrics and the intent behind them. I'm speaking on Kendrick not Cole Edited April 5 by barbiegrande 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemoehre Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said: Kendrick's song was about him coming to terms with his own prejudice and accepting his trans relative. He just used the slur as narrative means of where he used to stand at. It's no different from white screenwriters or writers using the n-word for characters… but I understood the controversy and he got heat for that. How's the tribute song called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Alice Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, diemoehre said: How's the tribute song called? Auntie Diaries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugo Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 hip hop artists are awful they should start uplifting their communities and teaching them better values instead of promoting violence, sexism, rape and homophobia 2 1 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor fanboy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Closet MAGA I fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquiddiamonds Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 8 minutes ago, diemoehre said: How's the tribute song called? I wouldnt call a tribute. I would say that is one of those cis-centered media products that try to go into the psyche of the person on the other side of someone trans fulfilling their own personal journey. As far as that goes i didn't see transphobia as intent or execution. We can hang up on certain things like the use of f*gg*t and the name Auntie Diaries itself (it's about his uncle). But to compare that with the product of hate speech that are these Cole verses…. He is even mocking gender identity with the chosen line… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgos Groove Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Even if we were to ignore the transphobia (which we should NOT), it's still a garbage bar, truly bottom of the barrell. 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apolonio Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Oop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lovett Posted April 5 Popular Post Share Posted April 5 39 minutes ago, Devin said: the lyric was a choice. but lets not act like the rap community/diss tracks are gonna be respectful. They don't need to be respectful towards the person they're dissing, but Kendrick isn't trans so what exactly is the purpose of J. Cole being transphobic in this lyric? It's just attacking a minority group for literally no purpose whatsoever. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tachiwaka Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) Didn't he also use the f*g word in a past song? I remember that being my introduction to him like ten years ago and I haven't listened to a song since. 26 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said: Kendrick's song was about him coming to terms with his own prejudice and accepting his trans relative. He just used the slur as narrative means of where he used to stand at. It's no different from white screenwriters or writers using the n-word for characters… but I understood the controversy and he got heat for that. Cole on the other hand is simply saying that his competitions is filed with man with *******, therefore trans and not masc like him. It's completely different and pure prejudice and hatred I appreciate that perspective because I haven't heard it before - having said that, there is a huge difference between lyrics and a screenplay. If Eminem or Iggy had used the n-word in a song to articulate that they used to say that word and realized how wrong it was, they would not live that down. Kendrick should have found a different way to express that. I really loved his music and I'm still so annoyed that I can't enjoy it in the same way Edited April 5 by tachiwaka 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquiddiamonds Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Just now, tachiwaka said: I appreciate that perspective because I haven't heard it before - having said that, there is a huge difference between lyrics and a screenplay. If Eminem or Iggy had used the n-word in a song to articulate that they used to say that word and realized how wrong it was, they would not live that down. Kendrick should have found a different way to express that. I really loved his music and I'm still so annoyed that I can't enjoy it in the same way This is also true. I think Eminem is a closer example than Iggy. Iggy doesn't paint with words. But Eminem also incorporated characters all the time with his lyrics in highly controversial manners (and got heat for that and survived that). I could see him getting plenty of heat for a narrative as such. I also wish Kendrick had more thoroughly thought out some of the parts. Still I can see how he tried to use those choices as narrative motifs, like misgendering as reflecting the confusion watching someone transition (his momma being quoted and not misgendering his uncle gives that out) and the f-words thrown around only for the big gotcha! moment that Kendrick should let a white girl use the n-word if he wants to get comfy with other slurs. We need to ask ourselves if those choices were worthy. I certainly don't agree with all of them, including the one bringing Caitlyn Jenner in with her deadname, even if I hate her guts. but I also didn't agree with the kendrick is a transphobic thinkpieces we got on Twitter/X. you would think he wrote these Cole lines and not a song that he ends up confronting himself about using slurs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 28 minutes ago, ugo said: hip hop artists are awful they should start uplifting their communities and teaching them better values instead of promoting violence, sexism, rape and homophobia its u downvoting me then posting this. save that bs commentary for the political and religious leaders who have a far bigger impact on our society. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Awful bars from Cole as always. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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