celeb news The girls are fighting: Cardi B vs Ice Spice & Raymonte

[Tcharm]

12 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

Considering DOMINCAN is not a race, what race do you think her mom is? White? You think Cardi passes for white in the USA?

I NEVER said Dominican is a race in my post nor did I say that Cardi passes for white so dead those strawmans and don't put words in my mouth. 

As a TnT citizen, that grew up there for a large portion of my life I SAID she is lying about her mother being Trini.  Even if she was a citizen of my country, anybody from there knows TnT =/= Being Black.

Similar population demographics are reflected in Guyana (Not French Guiana) who were also colonized by the British. The British brought a significant number of indentured servants from India and enslaved people from Africa to both countries which resulted in a 50/50 demographic between the two for a while, although in TnT, like I stated previously it has now skewed with the majority now being of Indian descent.

 

Her mom is likely Mestizo and/or Mulatto and thats fine. Lying about her mother's race, ethnicity, AND nationality is silly and embarrassing bc there are plenty of Dominicans of African descent.

 

Stating her mom is simply a Dominican woman with African roots would be just fine. jfc

Edited April 4 by Tcharm

[Stepfon]

 

[Thesedays]

7 minutes ago, Tcharm said:

I NEVER said Dominican is a race in my post nor did I say that Cardi passes for white so dead those strawmans and don't put words in my mouth. 

As a TnT citizen, that grew up there for a large portion of my life I SAID she is lying about her mother being Trini.  Even if she was a citizen of my country, anybody from there knows TnT =/= Being Black.

Similar population demographics are reflected in Guyana (Not French Guiana) who were also colonized by the British. The British brought a significant number of indentured servants from India and enslaved people from Africa to both countries which resulted in a 50/50 demographic between the two for a while, although in TnT, like I stated previously it has now skewed with the majority now being of Indian descent.

 

Her mom is likely Mestizo and/or Mulatto and thats fine. Lying about her race AND nationality is silly and embarrassing bc there are plenty of Dominicans of African descent. 

So let's unpack this:

 

1. Never said you claimed Dominican as a race.

2. You can think Cardi is white-passing in the US, just as there are people out there who may think Taylor Swift passes as black. You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it any less crazy. 

3. If her mother is potentially Mulatto (according to you), that means Cardi can easily be considered black in the USA (and "mulatto" would make her mom black by US standards too)

 

6 minutes ago, Tcharm said:

Stating her mom is simply a Dominican woman with African roots would be just fine. jfc

Again, considering Domican is not a race, what exactly a "Dominican woman with African race" would be sis?

Edited April 4 by Thesedays

[dinorhino]

19 minutes ago, Tcharm said:

The fact that Cardi is STILL lying to this day about her mom being Trini and thus Black

Ignoring the fact that MY country is heavily mixed. We have a mostly (almost 60%) Indo-Trinibagonian population with those of African descent making up 40% and the rest being mixed. 

 

Im not EVEN gonna get into the tea from that Trini Barb in 2019 that confirmed found Belkis only had a work visa and no citizenship via naturalization or birth records tying her to my country. 

She's clearly stated her maternal grandmother is Trinidadian. And someone being born in the DR doesn't preclude them from having another parent from another country...?

[ket]

1 minute ago, Thesedays said:

So according to you, what race is she?

Not black.

[panochita]

The amount of xenophobia just because you don't like someone...

[Thesedays]

1 minute ago, ket said:

Not black.

I see. So you think Cardi isn't black for reasons but can't point out what race she is instead. At the same time, your racist ass tried to claim "Mexicans" was an umbrella term that included Domincans.

 

Taking this into consideration, why would anyone ever take you seriously on the subject of race? (Rhetoric question btw, no need to reply)

[dinorhino]

14 minutes ago, Tcharm said:

I NEVER said Dominican is a race in my post nor did I say that Cardi passes for white so dead those strawmans and don't put words in my mouth. 

As a TnT citizen, that grew up there for a large portion of my life I SAID she is lying about her mother being Trini.  Even if she was a citizen of my country, anybody from there knows TnT =/= Being Black.

Similar population demographics are reflected in Guyana (Not French Guiana) who were also colonized by the British. The British brought a significant number of indentured servants from India and enslaved people from Africa to both countries which resulted in a 50/50 demographic between the two for a while, although in TnT, like I stated previously it has now skewed with the majority now being of Indian descent.

 

Her mom is likely Mestizo and/or Mulatto and thats fine. Lying about her mother's race, ethnicity, AND nationality is silly and embarrassing bc there are plenty of Dominicans of African descent.

 

Stating her mom is simply a Dominican woman with African roots would be just fine. jfc

A substantial number of American black celebrities are also mulatto (Alicia Keys, Rihanna, Beyoncé, Chris Brown, so many more) but we all identify them as black. So do pray tell why suddenly mulattoes from the Dominican Republic and Trinidad are now no longer black? Her mother also isn't Mestizo; mestizo is almost always used for people who are of Spanish and indigenous american descent (what most people in mainland Latin America are with the exception of Brazil). Like virtually all of the Caribbean, Trinidad's indigenous population was way less numerous, died a lot faster, and virtually none of the inhabitants have indigenous ancestry and if they do it's from Venezuela, not from the actual island. 

 

"There are plenty of Dominicans of African descent" all Dominicans of colonial descent (meaning they don't have immigrant parents/grandparents from other countries i.e. Chinese Dominicans, Lebanese Dominicans, etc.) are all of African descent and the average Dominican ranges from being over a third African in ancestry to majority black depending on the region

 

Edited April 4 by dinorhino

[panochita]

Just now, Thesedays said:

I see. So you think Cardi isn't black for reasons but can't point out what race she is instead. At the same time, your racist ass tried to claim "Mexicans" was an umbrella term that included Domincans.

 

Taking this into consideration, why would anyone ever take you seriously on the subject of race? (Rhetoric question btw, no need to reply)

It's always americans that cant' even grasp there are black mexicans and black people all over The Americans, the colonization wasn't unique to the states

[Thesedays]

3 minutes ago, dinorhino said:

A substantial number of American black celebrities are also mulatto (Alicia Keys, Rihanna, Beyoncé, Chris Brown, so many more) but we all identify them as black. So do pray tell why suddenly mulattoes from the Dominican Republic and Trinidad are now no longer black? Her mother also isn't Mestizo; mestizo is almost always used for people who are of Spanish and indigenous american descent (what most people in mainland Latin America are with the exception of Brazil). Like virtually all of the Caribbean, Trinidad's indigenous population was way less numerous, died a lot faster, and virtually none of the inhabitants have indigenous ancestry and if they do it's from Venezuela, not from the actual island. 

 

"There are plenty of Dominicans of African descent" all Dominicans of colonial descent (meaning they don't have immigrant parents/grandparents from other countries i.e. Chinese Dominicans, Lebanese Dominicans, etc.) are all of African descent and the average Dominican ranges from being over a third African in ancestry to majority black depending on the region

 

Right? Mulatto is literally MIXED-RACE, white and black lol.

 

So if her mom is "Mulatto" that means she's mixed-race, which means, in the US, she'd probably fall under the "black" denomination (considering the US understanding of black is based on the one-drop rule and all). Therefore, Cardi, as the daughter of a black mom, is black.

 

So even according to their logic, Cardi is still black. Unless you don't think light-skinned black people are black in, which case, as you pointed out, a huge number of black celebrities wouldn't be black anymore.

Edited April 4 by Thesedays

[dinorhino]

5 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

Mulatto is literally MIXED-RACE, white and black lol.

 

So if her mom is "Mulatto" that means she's mixed-race, which means, in the US, she'd probably fall under the "black" denomination (considering the US understanding of black is based on the one-drop rule and all). Therefore, Cardi, as the daughter of a black mom, is black.

 

So even according to their logic, Cardi is still black. Unless you don't think light-skinned black people are black in, which case, as you pointed out, a huge number of black celebrities wouldn't be black anymore.

Exactly. And Cardi has also said her maternal grandmother is a black Trinidadian and has posted multiple pictures of her. Like let's look at the receipts

I can't post images for some reason, but her maternal grandmother from Trinidad is shown here. 

Are the bozos really going to **** around in my face and tell me that's not a black woman? That this is an Indo-Trinidadian? These are the same people running like a chicken with their head cuts off saying Meghan Markle is black

Legit her Cardi's own mother looks like multiple Braxton sisters, particularly Toni and Tamar. Are they not black anymore too?
 

6 minutes ago, panochita said:

It's always americans that cant' even grasp there are black mexicans and black people all over The Americans, the colonization wasn't unique to the states

Their brains will explode when they learn that Brazil imported like 5x~10x the amount of slaves from Africa and that there are more black people and afrodescendants in Brazil than in the US. Brazil literally has the most afrodescendants outside of Africa and almost has a population comparable to Nigeria

Edited April 4 by dinorhino

[ket]

1 minute ago, Thesedays said:

I see. So you think Cardi isn't black for reasons but can't point out what race she is instead. At the same time, your racist ass tried to claim "Mexicans" was an umbrella term that included Domincans.

 

Taking this into consideration, why would anyone ever take you seriously on the subject of race? (Rhetoric question btw, no need to reply)

I said Mexicans should stop saying the n word , which is something they need to stop doing. Race is not just black and white, some people dont fit in the categoreies available, Cardi B doesnt look like a black woman and not socialised as one, she knows herself that she's not a black woman. Look up her ridiculous justification of saying the n word and ask yourself why a black person would say such dumb ****.

[ket]

Just now, dinorhino said:

Exactly. And Cardi has also said her maternal grandmother is a black Trinidadian and has posted multiple pictures of her. Like let's look at the receipts

I can't post images for some reason, but her maternal grandmother from Trinidad is shown here. 

Are the bozos really going to **** around in my face and tell me that's not a black woman? That this is an Indo-Trinidadian? These are the same people running like a chicken with their head cuts off saying Meghan Markle is black

Legit her Cardi's own mother looks like multiple Braxton sisters, particularly Toni and Tamar. Are they not black anymore too?

No the *** not, she does not look like them, lol. Meghan markle is also not black.

[Tcharm]

8 minutes ago, dinorhino said:

She's clearly stated her maternal grandmother is Trinidadian. And someone being born in the DR doesn't preclude them from having another parent from another country...?

So this statement: "My mom is Trini... she came out of a whole Black woman" is confirmation that her maternal grandmother is Afro-Trinibagonian??" 

I mean if we're playing this game then Belkis wouldn't need a work visa to work in my country. I was born in the US but I have citizenship by descent and a valid TnT passport. I can travel to and work in TnT freely. 

 

 

Also as both sides of my family aren't American, I never ascribed to nor entertain that 1 drop rule nonsense. If a person was 1/16th Black here, they would be claimed which is silly. 

[ket]

4 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

Mulatto is literally MIXED-RACE, white and black lol.

 

So if her mom is "Mulatto" that means she's mixed-race, which means, in the US, she'd probably fall under the "black" denomination (considering the US understanding of black is based on the one-drop rule and all). Therefore, Cardi, as the daughter of a black mom, is black.

 

So even according to their logic, Cardi is still black. Unless you don't think light-skinned black people are black in, which case, as you pointed out, a huge number of black celebrities wouldn't be black anymore.

The one drop rule was racist asf, having black ancestry doesnt make you black, the only reason it existed was beacuse white people wanted whiteness to be exclusive and they viewed someoene who had even a drop of black blood as tainted. Thats the reason why it was abolished.

[dinorhino]

1 minute ago, ket said:

No the *** not, she does not look like them, lol. Meghan markle is also not black.

Is Beyoncé and her mother (Tina Knowles) not black now? Because you can research Tina's ancestry online and with the most conservative estimates she's at least half white in ancestry and is more likely predominately white in ancestry but readily identifies as white. Her own mother was predominately white as well and her maternal grandmother was 3/4 white (maternal grandmother being half white) 

2 minutes ago, Tcharm said:

So this statement: "My mom is Trini... she came out of a whole Black woman" is confirmation that her maternal grandmother is Afro-Trinibagonian??" 

I mean if we're playing this game then Belkis wouldn't need a work visa to work in my country. I was born in the US but I have citizenship by descent and a valid TnT passport. I can travel to and work in TnT freely. 

 

 

Also as both sides of my family aren't American, I never ascribed to nor entertain that 1 drop rule nonsense. If a person was 1/16th Black here, they would be claimed which is silly. 

None know enough information to say what her mother's citizenship status looked like. Many countries back in the day and even now didn't allow women to pass down citizenship to their children and it was only men (Lebanon still does this, for example, and other Arab nations). Also many nations didn't allow dual citizenship and still don't. 

[FOCK]

4 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

I see. So you think Cardi isn't black for reasons but can't point out what race she is instead.

Reason is simple: She didn't identify as black before. 

 

"I like dark complexions & I don't like people that I think are my race, because I like to date people that are different from me. I like to date people that are not like me. I like their culture. I already know my culture, so I want something new.” 

 

 

Not here to dictate how any POC woman should identify, though it's worth clarifying that the discourse didn't materialise out of thin air.
 

She may have just been confusing/mixing the concepts of culture and race in a poorly worded answer & has since gone on to expand her understanding, but this is what is generally being referenced. 

[Tcharm]

12 minutes ago, dinorhino said:

 

None know enough information to say what her mother's citizenship status looked like. Many countries back in the day and even now didn't allow women to pass down citizenship to their children and it was only men (Lebanon still does this, for example, and other Arab nations). Also many nations didn't allow dual citizenship and still don't. 

I got my TnT passport in September 2023; they do allow dual citizenship and triple citizenship.

I have triple citizenship and they did not GAF during the application process. 

 

My citizenship by descent was granted via my mother. 

 

If I find that 2019 info pulling up the receipts of Belkis Duran I'll happily share it (on twt).

Like another user said, that 1 drop bs got folks in a chokehold; folks are just mixed and thats ok - so thats dead. but claiming TnT when the records aint there is wild

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 4 by Tcharm

[Thesedays]

10 minutes ago, ket said:

I said Mexicans should stop saying the n word , which is something they need to stop doing. Race is not just black and white, some people dont fit in the categoreies available, Cardi B doesnt look like a black woman and not socialised as one, she knows herself that she's not a black woman. Look up her ridiculous justification of saying the n word and ask yourself why a black person would say such dumb ****.

Why did you bring "Mexicans" into a thread that had nothing to do with them? Except for Cardi complaining about being referred to as one in a racist way?

 

[CristianGarcia]

10 minutes ago, ket said:

I said Mexicans should stop saying the n word , which is something they need to stop doing. Race is not just black and white, some people dont fit in the categoreies available, Cardi B doesnt look like a black woman and not socialised as one, she knows herself that she's not a black woman. Look up her ridiculous justification of saying the n word and ask yourself why a black person would say such dumb ****.

But Cardi is not Mexican. Why can't you call her Dominican to discredit her then? 
 

Because everybody and their mama knows Dominicans ancestors are BLACK PEOPLE.

 

So you gotta lie and say she's Mexican to prove your point…. 

[Thesedays]

13 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Reason is simple: She didn't identify as black before. 

 

"I like dark complexions & I don't like people that I think are my race, because I like to date people that are different from me. I like to date people that are not like me. I like their culture. I already know my culture, so I want something new.” 

 

 

Not here to dictate how any POC woman should identify, though it's worth clarifying that the discourse didn't materialise out of thin air.
 

She may have just been confusing/mixing the concepts of culture and race in a poorly worded answer & has since gone on to expand her understanding, but this is what is generally being referenced. 

 

Neymar didn't identify as black during his teen years either.

 

No one in Brazil is arguing he isn't black or has been sheltered from racism because we're not stupid. Regardless of how dumb he was (and still is), he is clearly black even in Brazilian society (which does not put so much focus on ancestry as the US does) and is seen as such by people, meaning racism would still affect him.

 

20 minutes ago, Tcharm said:

Also as both sides of my family aren't American, I never ascribed to nor entertain that 1 drop rule nonsense. If a person was 1/16th Black here, they would be claimed which is silly. 

Cool. Since Cardi is US American and was born in the US, how you and your family ascribe or entertain the one-drop rule personally is entirely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the country as a whole still does. Now, in some nations, Beyoncé wouldn't necessarily be considered black because of how light-skinned she is. But she isn't from these nations; she is from the US, and thus, she is a black entertainer. Same is true for Cardi.

Edited April 4 by Thesedays

[ket]

Just now, CristianGarcia said:

But Cardi is not Mexican. Why can't you call her Dominican to discredit her then? 
 

Because everybody and their mama knows Dominicans ancestors are BLACK PEOPLE.

 

So you gotta lie and say she's Mexican to prove your point…. 

Another dummy thinking having african ancestry makes you black. Most dominicans are mixed and they dont know the exact % of their admixture, only 8% of Dominicans are black black. There are more white dominicans than there are black. If those domimicans you speak of look like Cardi then they are not black.

[dinorhino]

8 minutes ago, Tcharm said:

I got my TnT passport in September 2023; they do allow dual citizenship and triple citizenship.

I have triple citizenship and they did not GAF during the application process. 

 

If I find that 2019 info pulling up the receipts of Belkis I'll happily share it (on twt).

Like another user said, that 1 drop bs got folks in a chokehold; folks are just mixed and thats ok - so thats dead. but claiming TnT when the records aint there is wild

 

 

 

TnT didn't allow dual citizenship until 1988. Her mother was born in 1965. She would've been 23 by the time it was allowed--if she even knew it was allowed by that time. 

 

Her mother presumably lived in the DR until moving to New York, it made the most sense giving her Dominican citizenship of the place she was being raised in if you could only choose between one. Many people don't even know about the concept of dual citizenship either. Like one of my family friends has a gran from Turks and Caicos and they can get a British passport if they wanted to but they literally aren't aware of the fact that they can inherit another citizenship from their grandmother. 

 

The one drop rule is racist, but many of the people you call black in the US is because of it. So if you think Cardi B isn't black then Ice Spice also isn't black and neither is Chris Brown, Mariah Carey, Beyoncé and her mother (and even her nephew Julez), Alicia Keys, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Halle Berry, Tia and Tamera, and so on. Are these people black or mixed to you, and do you also fight with as much vigour to them saying they're black as you do with Cardi B? 

Edited April 4 by dinorhino

[JO1s]

A lot of this forum hasn't left there small towns in America it seems…

[Rotunda]

8 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

Cool. Since Cardi is US American and was born in the US, how you and your family ascribe or entertain the one-drop rule personally is entirely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the country as a whole still does.