Raspberries Posted February 29 Posted February 29 4 hours ago, Communion said: Sister, I can guarantee you any politician you find worth "stanning" () is 100% a war criminal. I even want you to name names so we can see how obscene this off topic ranting of yours is. The irony being no one has said pop stars are beyond criticism, let alone for participating in wealth hoarding. But 1) who someone is dating is not the same thing as being a problematic bigot or wealth hoarder to where THAT is what you're mad about and 2) that pop stars and politicians are already on different levels of material impact that it being a pop star's personal life you're mad at is...?? "You stan someone who blew up a home!!!" And you stan someone who blows up countries with the signing of a pen?? Huh? What are you even talking about
ohwow Posted February 29 Posted February 29 15 hours ago, qurl said: this proves that the "old gaga is gone" allegations are true tbh, it seems like she was negotiating with capitalist pressures as an artist but then eventually gave into it sad tbh
fulgadrum Posted February 29 Posted February 29 i don't really get everyone being up in arms for what she said, but i do wanna say it's been sad to see what's happened to Gaga's trajectory. When she came out, I felt like music was changed forever. Like we were witnessing a new (pardon the comparison) Madonna, a multi-talented pop star who would go on to have decades of really deep, significant work that would consistently dictate and shape pop culture. I used to really believe in that, but I don't know if I do anymore. She's sort of shrunk away from that grandiosity. Not to slam her, but her... lack of presence?... just feels like her heart isn't into music and the broader pop scene anymore. Lately, the view I had of her is being challenged, and it's a bit sad. 5 1
Communion Posted February 29 Posted February 29 26 minutes ago, Raspberries said: What are you even talking about This is literally what everyone reading is thinking when seeing your posts right now. "You criticize politicians!!!". Like who are you even talking about? And what does anyone's view of any politician have to do with pop stars? Either be specific on what you're talking about or this is my last response to this unhinged trolling.
justin. Posted February 29 Posted February 29 I stan Taylor, so I really can’t be too critical. But this is disappointing given she has spent her whole career pushing the “music not the bling,” “I’m an ARTISTE” narrative. But I can’t say I’m terribly surprised. She’s spent the last few years pushing pills, makeup, overpriced watches, and driving around in a truck created by a man who actively works to make the lives of LGBTQ people hell. She has lost the plot. 4 1
justin. Posted February 29 Posted February 29 7 hours ago, Communion said: Sis, you arguing that someone dating a recent divorcee is as harmful as a politician materially supporting the genocide of 2M Palestinians proves my point. And why the idea of engaging with "you think for-profit healthcare is bad yet consume pop music - gotcha" levels of contrarian that populate these kinds of threads is not worth the effort. It's not normal to make every interaction you have rooted in how you imagine a user perceives Taylor Swift and that every post is a secret jab against her. "You consume [x]'s music passively for $0.005 per stream and YET if it was TAYLOR making that'd money, suddenly she'd be a v--" SSRIs, immediately. “SSRI’s immediately” is sending me You haven’t spoken a single lie in this thread!
Mr. Stratus Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) On 2/28/2024 at 11:50 PM, Legend ReX said: If by art she means “her face,” and by capitalism she means “numerous cosmetic procedures,” then I agree. Britney stans: I hate Justin for what he did!! Britney is a victim!! They called her fat! She’s so talented but they didn’t respect her! Also Britney stans: Proceeds to comment on Lady Gaga’s physical appearance in a derogatory manner Never change - she literally didn’t say anything extraordinary. It’s the concept of a pop star pretty much Edited March 2 by Mr. Stratus 1 1 1
DRod93 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 I think there is a bit more nuance to the relationship between capitalism and art. Like, can the two coexist? sure. The issue is more with the hyper capitalist mindset that everything should max out profit with the least possible amount of cash inflow. I get that all of our pop girls are capitalist, I don't deny that they want money. But, hyper capitalism has rendered them unable to make money from their art. Which is why everything now is cosmetic lines and every brand ambassadorship available. I mean, these capitalist pop girls also keep on complaining about streaming services, when those are also just a product of capitalism. Basically, art and capitalism can be friends. Capitalism just needs to be more regulated 1
Marry The Gods Posted February 29 Posted February 29 4 hours ago, AMIT said: Capitalists control everything we want and need and then sell that to us to make a profit for themselves, 100% of the time at the expense of the people doing all the work. Capitalist realism is so, well, real that we have people in here and so many other places singing praises for it when they're never really going to benefit from it in anyway. You do not own property. You will never retire. Your ''rights'' only exist on paper. Slavery is still a thing. Child labor is still a thing and coming back on some other places. Wars are still happening all around the world. Climate change is killing us every day and it will only get worse. All of the above are direct effects of capitalism. You think capitalism is just a ''trigger word'' because you've been so conditioned to think it's ''normal'' that you can't imagine living in any other way so you think it's weird when people brought it and its effects up. What's naive is thinking any problem created by capitalism is going to be solved by a ''softer'' version of capitalism. That has been tried with numerous reforms and things only keep getting worse. 4 hours ago, AMIT said: people still using this kind of ''argument'' stans try to not defend everything their fave says and does challenge! Agree with all of this. 1
burninredhot Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) Is she allowed to be a capitalist cuz it benefits her? Sure why not we'd all do the same. Does that mean she needs to start promoting it like it's a good thing? No. Also the same users who drag Taylor on her capitalism threads popping nerves here cuz it's their fav is hilarious Edited March 1 by burninredhot
Funnyfatty Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Ngl we all change but Gaga was never a trustworthy woman. We all loved her back in the day when she was under the control of a man. That man left her and this woman is what we are dealing with. i also believe that back in the day we all used to say “‘money don’t bring you happiness” and Gaga would loudly say that she hates money but today in 2024 its kind of cringe to say that you hate money lol you can actually buy happiness with money. Money is a very important factor in life and celebs caring about it is only normal. Its business. Art also became business. 2 1 4
Soda Pop Queen Posted March 1 Posted March 1 I don't see the big deal? I'm pretty sure Gagz has said things like this before in old interviews.
Galah Posted March 1 Posted March 1 All major pop stars (successful prominent public figures in general) support and benefit from capitalism, she's just saying the quiet part out loud.
Zaram Posted March 1 Posted March 1 2 hours ago, Funnyfatty said: Ngl we all change but Gaga was never a trustworthy woman. We all loved her back in the day when she was under the control of a man. That man left her and this woman is what we are dealing with. i also believe that back in the day we all used to say “‘money don’t bring you happiness” and Gaga would loudly say that she hates money but today in 2024 its kind of cringe to say that you hate money lol you can actually buy happiness with money. Money is a very important factor in life and celebs caring about it is only normal. Its business. Art also became business. Some people here are really too confident to say anything. 1
BnPac Posted March 1 Posted March 1 What’s wrong with this? She’s a singer that sells tickets at huge prices, make-up, tongs and DVD, of course she’s a capitalist. Like all of them. 1 1
Jjang Posted March 1 Posted March 1 On 2/29/2024 at 9:08 AM, KOMH said: Her in 2009: You can't make this up Remember "I'd rather have the most expensive show on earth than a big home" 3
Princess Aurora Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) I mean, she's not completely wrong about what she said. Look at Art pre-World War I. The only problem is that the current economic model is pretty bad see: Corruption, Lobbying, etc. The only downsides of Capitalism are overconsumption, waste, and a reduction in quality. Edited March 1 by Princess Aurora
VOSS Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Capitalism has a lot of benefits to society but celebrities releasing overpriced makeup kits is not one of them. We need to increase taxes on these products ASAP. 1
CBC Posted March 1 Posted March 1 shes always been a business woman before artist so this isn't surprising at all. i wish it was different but alas... anyway her statement is pretty much true and not controversial at all imo. capitalism can help an artist thrive and be able to live off their art 1 1
SetzerMC Posted March 2 Posted March 2 It's true especially for a pop girl. Capitalism can provide the resources necessary for artists like Lady GaGa to produce, distribute, and innovate within their craft. This includes funding for projects, platforms for wide-reaching exposure, and incentives for artistic innovation. In return, art enriches the cultural landscape of a capitalist society, driving consumer interest and engagement. 1
Villas Posted March 2 Posted March 2 It’s funny these last statements of her due to her past behavior, y’all remember how was she against media-pop standards? How ironic
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