Kristie Kuwa Posted March 2 Posted March 2 On 2/29/2024 at 8:38 PM, fulgadrum said: i don't really get everyone being up in arms for what she said, but i do wanna say it's been sad to see what's happened to Gaga's trajectory. When she came out, I felt like music was changed forever. Like we were witnessing a new (pardon the comparison) Madonna, a multi-talented pop star who would go on to have decades of really deep, significant work that would consistently dictate and shape pop culture. I used to really believe in that, but I don't know if I do anymore. She's sort of shrunk away from that grandiosity. Not to slam her, but her... lack of presence?... just feels like her heart isn't into music and the broader pop scene anymore. Lately, the view I had of her is being challenged, and it's a bit sad. Agreed and its actually become Bey who after becoming her own manager stepped into Madonnas footsteps. Its quite astonishing to see, but for whatever reason, Gaga pivoted to become the next Barbra while lacking the natural approachability and honesty of Barbra. 1
bliaz Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) Little by little the Monsters are realizing how fake this woman has been since the beginning of her career. I used to love her, but little by little I saw who she really was and decided to stay away from her persona and focus more on her music, which is getting worse and worse, unfortunately. Edited March 2 by bliaz 7 5 1
fulgadrum Posted March 2 Posted March 2 4 hours ago, bliaz said: Little by little the Monsters are realizing how fake this woman has been since the beginning of her career. I used to love her, but little by little I saw who she really was and decided to stay away from her persona and focus more on her music, which is getting worse and worse, unfortunately. lol i used to joke with my friends back in the heyday of Bad Romance/TFM that she probably really despises her fan interactions and calls them Little Monsters strictly out of like, marketing and branding. It feels like that turned out to be the case. She's very removed from fans now it seems :/ The documentary and the Chromatica promotional run really made it sound like fame and having to be 'on' for the audience was a luxury she thought she wanted but no longer wishes to have. 1
40000000000000 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 i think the outrage stems from her fans being the original swifties. they used to think this stranger was genuinely their bestfriend and their therapist. now she is loudly stating that marketing and profit is very important to her, and her "little monsters" are unexpectedly seeing the facade wash away and feeling gullible. anybody who wasn't a lady gaga stan is not shocked or outraged by this. it is what is expected of people like her. 1 2 2
Leptine Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, 40000000000000 said: i think the outrage stems from her fans being the original swifties. they used to think this stranger was genuinely their bestfriend and their therapist. now she is loudly stating that marketing and profit is very important to her, and her "little monsters" are unexpectedly seeing the facade wash away and feeling gullible. anybody who wasn't a lady gaga stan is not shocked or outraged by this. it is what is expected of people like her. Please be serious, nobody in their right mind would seen a popstar that they never met as 'bestfriend' or 'therapist', this applies to all the popstars, they sell records, a product, they're not Mother Teresa doing charity. 1
Kern Posted March 3 Posted March 3 2 hours ago, 40000000000000 said: they used to think this stranger was genuinely their bestfriend and their therapist. insane take. She was the one acting like that and fooled her fans into thinking that she's the maker of this whole community. That really was the vibe up until the Artpop era and she was the one making this thing 1
40000000000000 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Leptine said: Please be serious, nobody in their right mind would seen a popstar that they never met as 'bestfriend' or 'therapist', this applies to all the popstars, they sell records, a product, they're not Mother Teresa doing charity. 24 minutes ago, stupidjock said: insane take. She was the one acting like that and fooled her fans into thinking that she's the maker of this whole community. That really was the vibe up until the Artpop era and she was the one making this thing disagreements are fine, but i would like to hear then what you girls think this outrage from her fans are rooted in. obviously some things are not adding up. perhaps offer a counter-argument
Kern Posted March 3 Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, 40000000000000 said: disagreements are fine, but i would like to hear then what you girls think this outrage from her fans are rooted in. obviously some things are not adding up. perhaps offer a counter-argument I wouldn't say outrage, just dissapointment. She flopped with Artpop and ditched the gays instead of just making a better record. Her debut was literally focused on showing the dark side of popular and rich lifestyle. Artpop had a interesting concept but poor execution
Kern Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Let's not forget how insane Gaga's popularity was in the beggining. She managed to cultivate her own fanbase really fast and a lot of people would relate to her and be inspired by her - that's what art is suppose to do. I remember reading so many stories of people being inspired to come out because of her and how she made them feel that it's okay to be different. She knew excatly what she was doing and who is buying her records and she backed out the moment it stopped making her money. Now she's a Hollywood actress that drives expensive car and posting insta selfies ala Kim Kardashian. 1
Leptine Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, 40000000000000 said: disagreements are fine, but i would like to hear then what you girls think this outrage from her fans are rooted in. obviously some things are not adding up. perhaps offer a counter-argument I speak for myself not for the others or the entire fanbase, if some people are not happy-satisfied with what she is doing or has done in the last years it's their problems and can move on, you have stans trashing 'Joanne', stans trashing 'Chromatica', stans trashing ASIB, stans trashing Jazz, stans not caring about her movie career and so on, everybody has a different take on what she does.
qurl Posted March 3 Posted March 3 4 hours ago, 40000000000000 said: disagreements are fine, but i would like to hear then what you girls think this outrage from her fans are rooted in. obviously some things are not adding up. perhaps offer a counter-argument they dragging u like we don’t get a front row seat via twitter and this damn website to the collective psychosis of taylor swift fans i was there in 2008-2011, you did not lie. 1 1
nadiamendell Posted March 3 Posted March 3 This is exactly why I can't stan mega millionaire/billionaire stars like her anymore. Once they reach a certain level, their art starts to suffer and they become out of touch with regular people. I tried my best to like Chromatica, and I did enjoy a few songs, but the majority of it just felt so phoned in and inauthentic. I prefer to support smaller artists who continuously put out new music and tour just to survive. They have more of an idea of what it's like to live from paycheck to paycheck like so many of us do. Their shows are also soooo much more enjoyable and personal than the $400+ nosebleed seats at the shows of these money-hungry megastars. 2 5
AaronBryceSufjan Posted March 4 Posted March 4 that's actually how artists make money. why are y'all mad at this
Robyn. Posted March 4 Posted March 4 On 3/2/2024 at 7:38 PM, bliaz said: Little by little the Monsters are realizing how fake this woman has been since the beginning of her career. I used to love her, but little by little I saw who she really was and decided to stay away from her persona and focus more on her music, which is getting worse and worse, unfortunately. Her ditching the extravagant LGBT ally persona the minute she flopped didn't ring a bell? 1 6
Seahorse Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) Y’all gays keep stanning and supporting these straight women instead of gay artists and this is what we get. Edited March 4 by Seahorse
Leptine Posted March 4 Posted March 4 5 hours ago, Robyn. said: Her ditching the extravagant LGBT ally persona the minute she flopped didn't ring a bell? Since when she ditched the extravagant LGBT ally persona? Just because she did different works with different images, it doesn't mean she did. This was literally less than 3 years ago for the anniversary of BTW in West Hollywood. Or should I mention the Chromatica Ball tour?
justin. Posted March 4 Posted March 4 5 hours ago, Robyn. said: Her ditching the extravagant LGBT ally persona the minute she flopped didn't ring a bell? Remember when she based an entire song around one of the most racist and bigoted men in Hollywood (John Wayne) while repeatedly saying she wanted to write an album that appealed to middle America aka Republicans? And her silence on trans issues and drag laws over the last few years has been deafening. 1
Robyn. Posted March 4 Posted March 4 41 minutes ago, Leptine said: Since when she ditched the extravagant LGBT ally persona? Just because she did different works with different images, it doesn't mean she did. This was literally less than 3 years ago for the anniversary of BTW in West Hollywood. Or should I mention the Chromatica Ball tour? Wrong timeline sweetheart, but perhaps it was convenient for you? She drastically toned down her old antics for two consecutive eras (Joanne and ASIB), after Artpop was deemed an underperformance. It's a known fact but alright.
Jay07 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Leptine said: Since when she ditched the extravagant LGBT ally persona? Just because she did different works with different images, it doesn't mean she did. This was literally less than 3 years ago for the anniversary of BTW in West Hollywood. Or should I mention the Chromatica Ball tour? I honestly think cupcake fans who can never hold their faves accountable are responsible for the capitalistic mess we are in with all popstars. Things are getting worse and worse for LGBTQ folks, trans folks are literally persecuted and there are strong indications the Supreme Court will try to overturn Obergefell. When did she last advocate for us or for women's rights for that matter? It used to be her entire brand and now she refuses to say anything because she doesn't want to upset her republican base. 1
Bloodflowers. Posted March 4 Posted March 4 The Fame chanteuse proved you can be artistic and commercial
Leptine Posted March 4 Posted March 4 4 hours ago, Robyn. said: Wrong timeline sweetheart, but perhaps it was convenient for you? She drastically toned down her old antics for two consecutive eras (Joanne and ASIB), after Artpop was deemed an underperformance. It's a known fact but alright. ASIB literally have a long scene located in a drag queens bar where she performs but okay. 2 hours ago, Jay07 said: I honestly think cupcake fans who can never hold their faves accountable are responsible for the capitalistic mess we are in with all popstars. Things are getting worse and worse for LGBTQ folks, trans folks are literally persecuted and there are strong indications the Supreme Court will try to overturn Obergefell. When did she last advocate for us or for women's rights for that matter? It used to be her entire brand and now she refuses to say anything because she doesn't want to upset her republican base. This woman literally have a foundation dedicated to LGBTQ+, even the actress Indya Moore thanked Gaga and the foundation stating how they prevent her to ending up homeless. Just because she's not dressed 24/7 like a drag queens mentioning gays, it doesn't mean she stopped caring, you don't know what she's doing behind the scenes, beside she did it when it was less covenient for her and when it was less trendy, nobody can take away what she did for the community, enough with these dumb narratives based on the nothing.
If U Seek Amy Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) I am not sure if the delivery of this concept is bad or not, but her point stands. Anyone on this forum that tries to tell me their fav is solely in it for the art is a liar. And you are a supporter of that so don't even try to pretend you are above it. To some extent everyone has desire to earn income from their work. It does not have to be all capitalism or all art and nothing in between so drop the black and white thinking. You can create authentic art while also making money on it and that does not invalidate your art or reduce its value in any way. It is only when you are creating art for the purpose of personal gain with no authenticity put into it where it is a problem mainly. Not the Kpop/Jpop stan thumbs downing this post when they are mega capitalism based Edited March 4 by If U Seek Amy 1 1 1
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