celeb news Taylor's dancing skills goes viral on Twitter

[Smarticle]

3 minutes ago, Bussea said:

It's like THOTs don't have anything else to do other than recycle the same videos and kiki about the same **** every 2-3 business boredom days. 

[PrettyHurts]

Her choreo and costuming always felt very forced and cringe to me. I really do not like the creative direction of her live performances 

[LOTF]

5 hours ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

Taylor is more successful and relatable than Beyonce, no matter how good of a dancer beyonce is. Taylor's music is also way catchier and more appealing. I'll always choose TayTay

Sis...

I'll give you Tay is more relatable than Bey but Swift's music is not catchy mor appealing. I don't understand what you guys see in it 

[Weld_E]

3 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Beyoncé might be more skilled in those aspects, but Taylor eats her up in terms of lyricism, story telling, melodic craftsmanship, instrumental proficiency, solo authorship and overall artistic autonomy, emotional connection with the audience with authenticity/vulnerability, and fan engagement. 

The way 80% of these terms are made up just to put Taylor over Beyonce performance wise 

[TipToe]

Great gowns beautiful gowns indeed

[Mezik]

1 hour ago, Lovett said:

I really don't have any issue with Taylor, but you can hear better singers down at the local karaoke place.  Just because she's often on pitch doesn't make her a great singer.

That's just about true for any artist that isn't Kelly Clarkson.  It doesn't take away the fact that Taylor can sing well live?

 

She uses her voice to her advantage and sings songs that she can sing well for her range. What do you want her to do? Record an album of I Will Always Love Yous and have be scratchy, out of breath, and strained the entire time?  

 

The length everyone will go to on this forum to act as if Taylor isn't talented, or act as if she can't perform is laughable. As someone who has seen many artists live, Taylor is far from the bottom of the list of 'bad performers' - especially the Eras tour. This forum would make you think that the Eras Tour is the worst production or performance of a pop girl in history. 

[Shelter]

The playback makes it even worse 

 

[swissman]

3 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Beyoncé might be more skilled in those aspects, but Taylor eats her up in terms of lyricism, story telling, melodic craftsmanship, instrumental proficiency, solo authorship and overall artistic autonomy, emotional connection with the audience with authenticity/vulnerability, and fan engagement. 

While Taylor may "eat her up" in a one or two of those categories, for the rest Beyoncé is either not far behind or actually ahead. Story-telling? Lemonade is a Peabody winning work. Instrumental proficiency? The voice is an instrument. Artistic autonomy? Who do you think is telling Beyoncé what to do? Melodic craftsmanship? Beyoncé vocally arranges all her work and is her own vocal producer 99% of the time.

 

And then we could add other things like you have: collaboration, social messaging, musical-risk-taking, overall musicality, etc. etc. that Beyoncé excels at.

[Princess Aurora]

5 hours ago, Rep2000 said:

Atp "viral on X" is just a cheap excuse to post hate tweet. *Everything* is "viral" on twitter these days.

Still using twitter is honestly such a red flag.

This. Let's all share from Bluesky instead 

[OrgVisual]

Looks like a great show for the 10 year olds

[Digitalism]

6 hours ago, CroNich said:

I will never understand how she became the most successful pop girl. The masses really have zero taste.

OMG

[TipToe]

1 minute ago, OrgVisual said:

Looks like a great show for the 10 year olds

If we overlook the 70k attendees around it's giving Hannah Montana pocket show

[vuelve88]

Love the Venezuelan dance style 

[swissman]

Taylor's magic is clearly her relatability: that "oh my gaw did I just win an award?" face; that "I don't care how I look when I dance, I'm doing it anyway" sense of gusto and pluck; the hyper-specific lyricism that lets fans feel they're reading your diary; the "let's trade friendship bracelets, we're best friends forever!" approach to fandom; And that's great for her fans as they clearly love it and get a lot out of it. And if they don't have a problem with it, there's not really a problem especially given how absolutely successful she is doing it.

 

However, that does mean others don't see it in a completely different way which is part of the issue with being a relatability-first kind of artist. If your superpower is your ability to relate to audiences, where does that leave those who do not relate at all to you? This is why she has many people questioning her skill and her place in the industry, because (though it's clear she has a lot of casual listeners given the scope of her career), if you're not seeing yourself in her or what she performs, if you're not seeing an unassailable performance on stage to entertain you where the relatability does not, you're kind of left scratching your head as to what exactly is so appealing.

 

And I think that's what's happening here. Anyone who doesn't "get" it isn't seeing much objective skill in that clip, and so are either using it against her/to justify their opinion of her OR are using it to inform their opinion of her. It quite simply is not for them, but at the same time, that doesn't make the clip any more impressive just because it's taken out of context of her persona.

 

All in all, people can critique it and they have legitimate reason to do so, but it doesn't really matter to her career. The dancing is something she adds into it, but you probably won't hear a Taylor fan saying they're going to the concert for that kind of thing.

 

 

Edited December 1 by swissman

[The Music Industry]

12 minutes ago, swissman said:

Artistic autonomy? Who do you think is telling Beyoncé what to do?

Autonomy isn't just about being able to do what you want, it's also about not having to rely on others in doing so. Beyoncé obviously relies on others much, much more than Taylor in order to create art. I mean, it's just a fact. There's more collaborators on a single song from Cowboy Carter than on Taylor's last 4 albums combined. You put Taylor alone in a room and she can create art on her own. She can write the song alone, compose its melodies alone, she can do the instrumentals alone (piano, guitar, etc..), she can produce alone. The same can't be said about Beyoncé, at least not to the same degree of Taylor. 

[Lovett]

33 minutes ago, Mezik said:

That's just about true for any artist that isn't Kelly Clarkson.  It doesn't take away the fact that Taylor can sing well live?

 

She uses her voice to her advantage and sings songs that she can sing well for her range. What do you want her to do? Record an album of I Will Always Love Yous and have be scratchy, out of breath, and strained the entire time?  

 

The length everyone will go to on this forum to act as if Taylor isn't talented, or act as if she can't perform is laughable. As someone who has seen many artists live, Taylor is far from the bottom of the list of 'bad performers' - especially the Eras tour. This forum would make you think that the Eras Tour is the worst production or performance of a pop girl in history. 

It's not though, is it? There are tonnes of artists in the music industry who are objectively good singers and vocalists. There's no requirement to have an extensive vocal range or high upper register to be a good singer. Look at Billie Eilish, she knows exactly how to sing in her vocal range and she does it very well. I'm sorry, but Taylor is often pitchy and unsupported with her belts. She's not a good singer, she's very average. That's not to say she's untalented, or any of the other things you brought up, I'm just acknowledging her actual performance skillset to be lacking.

 

That doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy her, or appreciate her as an artist. But she's objectively an average performer.  That's all.

[swissman]

17 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Autonomy isn't just about being able to do what you want, it's also about not having to rely on others in doing so. Beyoncé obviously relies on others much, much more than Taylor in order to create art. I mean, it's just a fact. There's more collaborators on a single song from Cowboy Carter than on Taylor's last 4 albums combined. You put Taylor alone in a room and she can create art on her own. She can write the song alone, compose its melodies alone, she can do the instrumentals alone (piano, guitar, etc..), she can produce alone. The same can't be said about Beyoncé, at least not to the same degree of Taylor. 

Sure, Beyoncé collaborates with others far more, but then say that. "Autonomy" means "self-governing" so even if you apply "artistic" to it, it sounds like you're saying something slightly different than sitting down alone and writing a song alone. If we are talking about artistic governance, it's very clear Beyoncé is at the helm, as I'm sure you don't think 50+ writers just assembled on their own to collaborate on an album and came up with something cohesive and conceptually sound and on brand and personal and informed by her own experiences and in keeping with her trilogy without a leader to govern it all. It's not like Beyoncé just shows up one day and sings the songs given to her and leaves. Her collaborators have stated otherwise time and time again and the finished result suggests otherwise as well.
 

You can correct me if I'm wrong as you'll know more, but to my knowledge Taylor has never released a song or an album that wasn't either co-written or co-produced with someone else. To say Taylor "can" do this alone seems reasonable but then the same thing should be said about Beyoncé who "can" write and produce alone, she just doesn't as well and chooses to work with more people. Taylor may come closer to achieving that far more often, but it's not like Beyoncé hasn't come close herself either, including the 11-week #1 hit Independent Women which she wrote at 18.

 

 

Edited December 1 by swissman

[swissman]

9 minutes ago, Lovett said:

It's not though, is it? There are tonnes of artists in the music industry who are objectively good singers and vocalists. There's no requirement to have an extensive vocal range or high upper register to be a good singer. Look at Billie Eilish, she knows exactly how to sing in her vocal range and she does it very well. I'm sorry, but Taylor is often pitchy and unsupported with her belts. She's not a good singer, she's very average. That's not to say she's untalented, or any of the other things you brought up, I'm just acknowledging her actual performance skillset to be lacking.

 

That doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy her, or appreciate her as an artist. But she's objectively an average performer.  That's all.

This. Even someone like Kylie Minogue who is largely regarded as one of those small voiced pop singers more about image/performance than vocals like a Britney or a Janet or a Madonna is a surprisingly adept live singer, able to even cover a Mariah song without sounding out of her range... because she is a good singer.

[modeblock]

5 hours ago, Edge Of Glory said:

lemme preface this by saying even as a swiftie, it's CLEAR beyonce is the better performer. like, just metric for metric, beyonce p much beats taylor in all of them. and it doesn't hurt to admit that! but it's bullshit when the tables turn and ppl don't wanna give even an inch in terms of recognizing an artists skill and talent, which taylor also absolutely has. there's no way someone with no noteworthy skills could've weaved thru several diff industries with success and acclaim the whole way thru, and for so long, without having something unique and valuable to offer. like bffr  

 

but ANYWAY, my main point is that seeing these particular criticisms over this particular video has pissed me off cause like…she's f***ing performing WANEGBT?? a stompy pop-rock avril lavigne type track? im sorry but were you expecting her to serve intense girl group choreo to WANEGBT???  and i feel like anyone whose ever watched the show can agree that even tho taylor doesn't have the greatest physicality, she can shift p well between diff moods and vibes depending on the era (glitzy unbothered pop queen for lover/rep/1989, flowy and elegant for speak now/folkmore, irreverent and intense for red/ttpd, etc). like it's stupid ass criticisms like this that make me want to disengage completely from music spaces lmao 😭

Oh, here's the tea. Taylor can be a messy performer, she is NOT a  naturally skilled dancer or a vocalist, but she offers herself and her unique vision re: music. People like her. So the talent needed to match Beyoncé excellence is not necessary because she offers a different experience. She's not giving you untouchable diva. She's giving you girl next door who is singing the words she wrote to her audience. It works for her and her stans, thats why she made $2 billi on the tour. 

[modeblock]

35 minutes ago, swissman said:

Sure, Beyoncé collaborates with others far more, but then say that. "Autonomy" means "self-governing" so even if you apply "artistic" to it, it sounds like you're saying something slightly different than sitting down alone and writing a song alone. If we are talking about artistic governance, it's very clear Beyoncé is at the helm, as I'm sure you don't think 50+ writers just assembled on their own to collaborate on an album and came up with something cohesive and conceptually sound and on brand and personal and informed by her own experiences and in keeping with her trilogy without a leader to govern it all. It's not like Beyoncé just shows up one day and sings the songs given to her and leaves. Her collaborators have stated otherwise time and time again and the finished result suggests otherwise as well.
 

You can correct me if I'm wrong as you'll know more, but to my knowledge Taylor has never released a song or an album hat wasn't either co-written or co-produced with someone else. To say Taylor "can" do this alone seems reasonable but then the same thing should be said about Beyoncé who "can" write and produce alone, she just doesn't as well and chooses to work with more people. Taylor may come closer to achieving that far more often, but it's not like Beyoncé hasn't come close herself either, including the 11-week #1 hit Independent Women which she wrote at 18.

 

I don't think a lot of people realize / know that Beyoncé likes to Frankenstein her sings, picking sections from different songs and putting them together, while crediting any used samples is how she ends up with a long list of co-writers. SHE is the curator and the FINAL say on anything she sings, I don't know how that's any less "artistic" than what Taylor does. She doesn't write her demos (most of the time) and Taylor can't sing or dance on her level. That's how it works in This Universe. Also, we need to remember we can't make a song not bop, and both ladies have bops in spades.  

[Namie-Knowles]

These threads always got the craziest first pages before Swifties come through with narrative control on pages 2+. 

[Miley Cyrus]

But her writing 

This is the state of the music industry btw 

Edited November 30 by Miley Cyrus

[CroNich]

2 hours ago, Digitalism said:

OMG

Not sure what point you were trying to make but go off sis 

 

[Bimbo]

You'd think the lyrics are something outstanding to be able to look pass this and the vocals

[Pepo]

6 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Y'all just say anything. This might shock you, but being an artist is not just about your vocal range or your ability to hit a dance move. That's not enough to have the 'complete package' as an artist. 

 

Beyoncé might be more skilled in those aspects, but Taylor eats her up in terms of lyricism, story telling, melodic craftsmanship, instrumental proficiency, solo authorship and overall artistic autonomy, emotional connection with the audience with authenticity/vulnerability, and fan engagement. 

The 'complete package' isn't a monolith, it's about excelling in your strengths and capitalizing on them. And Taylor is in a league of her own when it comes to many aspects. That's why she's still out here being the biggest artist in the world 18 years in her career while y'all argue in circles and have weekly temper tantrums over her omnipresence in pop culture. 

 

It's true that no one can't compete with Taylor when it comes to both audience and fan connection. The rest is arguable though.

 

In fact, from a technical point of view Beyoncé can have the "instrumental proficiency" field over Taylor. The latter can play some chords, but the former can do whatever she wants with her own instrument.

 

 

 

The entire debate about musicianship is in favor of Beyoncé. Not only does she stand out thanks to her technical proficiency, she also posses great musicality, as she tends to improvise vocals on the spot at every single show.

So I'll give Beyoncé more credit.

 

The "artistic autonomy" factor could actually be a tie.

 

Anyhow, it's true that Taylor knows the areas in which she excels at and knows how to capitalize on them. This is objective, no one can deny this and the fact that she's been the most popular singer for years.