celeb news Songwriter Tiffany Red calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits

[Big Bad Wolf]

I also just want to point out songwriters have said Britney Spears for example opted NOT TO get credited for songs she didn’t write. Not only is that commendable but it should be standard practice imo. Songwriters need to strike next tbh. All these major artists will be out of luck if that happens. 
 

[Moloko Plus]

Just now, swissman said:

I've yet to see a convincing piece of information that states Beyoncé steals any writing credits. It's always reinterpretations of quotes that misconstrue what's actually being discussed (like Rob Fusari's), willful ignorance (like hearing Future answer that Drunk in Love wasn't his song he just recorded the demo but somehow thinking that means he said he wrote it) or receipts of small word changes which factually constitutes enough for a songwriting credit.

 

On the other side, we have accounts of songs she's fully written by herself (Jumpin' Jumpin', Independent Women) or bridges added (Crazy in Love, Halo), or verses (Formation), etc. etc.

 

I think it's fair to say that the average Beyoncé song these days is a combination of several writers contributions that she puts together in the way she wants, then adds/subtracts/changes lyrics or melodies as she sees fit. But still, that's pretty involved, and I think it would be impossible for any artist, let alone one like Beyoncé who works with so many, to constantly work with new groups of people and continually put out highly cohesive works that not only have her sonic DNA in them, but that also relate to a greater concept that ties them all together.

 

 

You said all that to not really say anything. Tiffany Red said Bey has taken a percentage of publishing rights from the artists who actually wrote the material because it’s an industry norm that Bey helped normalize. Tiffany also claimed there’s vocalists and producers on Renaissance with improperly filed credits that still haven’t been properly handled. She also said you’re not gonna hear from these people directly because they’ve all been made to sign NDA’s. Regardless of which way you try to present it, this is FOUL for an artist of Beyonce’s caliber. You’re hearing from a reliable person that actually personally knows the people who worked on this album, yet you’re working up a fantasy in your head that “I think it's fair to say that the average Beyoncé song these days is a combination of several writers contributions that she puts together in the way she wants.” Like girl.

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 minute ago, Chris said:

The dupes making their way to this thread.

 

Its funny how they all.appear whenever theres a shady Bey thread. Like damn, yall were MUTE this week when there were only praise threads

 

[QueenBLadyG]

2 minutes ago, BeenThereDoneThat said:

It’s been well known that Beyonce strong arms writers into giving up songwriting credits and publishing, so that she can have a bigger piece of the pie. 
 

 

Well known or well stated? Someone can say anything they like, doesn't make them right. If she actually "stole" something any parties would and should be able to sue her for compensation and prove she did what she is being accused of. Please do find any evidence of such cases where she has lost and post them in this thread.

[Zefierce]

12 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Ur a stan yet I've never seen u in the base since I joined. Yea right.

And what are u basing ur assessments on? Intuition? Cause u sure as hell have no tea. 

 

10 minutes ago, QueenBLadyG said:

And if they were a "stan" they would know how much she involved and adds to each and every song she uses for her records. She doesn't take "underserved credits". Songwriting rules are there for a reason. Even it's something as little as a word, no matter how unfair that may seem, guess what?  You're a songwriter on the song. That user is a clown. 

 

Not beehive gatekeeping who is a stan and who isn't.

 

I guess if you're being objective and unbiased you get your stan card revoked.

[QueenBLadyG]

Just now, Zefierce said:

 

 

Not beehive gatekeeping who is a stan and who isn't.

 

I guess if you're being objective and unbiased you get your stan card revoked.

STFU, weirdo.

[Kristie Kuwa]

Just now, Zefierce said:

 

 

Not beehive gatekeeping who is a stan and who isn't.

 

I guess if you're being objective and unbiased you get your stan card revoked.

Not you playing mother theresa. It doesnt suit u, honey

 

[BeenThereDoneThat]

21 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

So telling how these "exposes" always come when Bey is smashing lol where were u last year? Right, u were on mute.

 

Cloud chaser, thats what she is. Never worked with her but apparently has all the tea. Name the songwriters u know, NAME the SONG u refer to in ur Exposé..  but of course u dont do that. Just lots of air, crying about being poor yet I see u living in a nice house. Yea right

She’s not going to name names, because the songwriters who complained to her, signed NDAs with Beyonce. She doesn’t want to get them in legal trouble. 

[Kh-Loud]

7 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

lol Beyoncé doesn’t have a genuine bone in her body. Anyone thinking the Renaissance project came from a place of love and passion is a total fool.

Not that comment about being genuine and the clown Avi lol 

 

[Moloko Plus]

37 minutes ago, KingWitch said:

Everyone has said this for years now but Beyonce's fans have gotten so good at bullying anyone that tries to come forward(by bringing up their social status or their lack of fame etc)that it's basically pointless.

 

I am sure a lot people are going to just deflect from what she said by bringing the whole lyrics vs composition thing ,even when there's demos of Beyonce singing the song exactly how the demo was

 

It’s the same disgusting behavior they exhibited towards Kelis.

[Moloko Plus]

Just now, Kh-Loud said:

Not that comment about being genuine and the clown Avi lol 

 

SOPHIE was one of the most prolific and influential producers of recent times lol. You’re a clown

[TROJAN]

Beyoncé is a singer, not an artist.

[Kristie Kuwa]

Just now, BeenThereDoneThat said:

She’s not going to name names, because the songwriters who complained to her, signed NDAs with Beyonce. She doesn’t want to get them in legal trouble. 

So shes saying things, has the tea, yet cant say anything. But at the same time hasn't worked with Beyonce. 

So its basically - my homegirl doesnt like her and said xyz, so im gonna repeat that. Ok.

 

If Bey is THAT horrible, stop working for her. Dont give her any of ur material. Its SO easy to handle

 

[Kh-Loud]

Just now, Moloko Plus said:

SOPHIE was one of the most prolific and influential producers of recent times lol. You’re a clown

Lmfaoooooo, Sure Clown!! 

[Kh-Loud]

2 minutes ago, TROJAN said:

Beyoncé is a singer, not an artist.

And you’re a used condom, not a living breathing human being! 
 

Edited February 19 by Kh-Loud

[Chris]

4 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Its funny how they all.appear whenever theres a shady Bey thread. Like damn, yall were MUTE this week when there were only praise threads

 

That's why we need to stick together, Kristie.

 

They always try to portray us fans as crazy, defensive, and unhinged.

 

Like.....do you not realize why we act this way?

 

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 minute ago, Moloko Plus said:

It’s the same disgusting behavior they exhibited towards Kelis.

She used a ******* lalala in the background for 2 seconds at the end of energy

yall make it seem ms kelis got stolen to the bone. And the moment it popped up, it got removed

[Moloko Plus]

17 minutes ago, QueenBLadyG said:

And if they were a "stan" they would know how much she involved and adds to each and every song she uses for her records. She doesn't take "underserved credits". Songwriting rules are there for a reason. Even it's something as little as a word, no matter how unfair that may seem, guess what?  You're a songwriter on the song. That user is a clown. 

 

[Zefierce]

3 minutes ago, Kh-Loud said:

Not that comment about being genuine and the clown Avi lol 

 

This comment is giving transphobia, ngl.

 

Have some respect for a deceased talented trans artist.

[Mornings]

Just now, Chris said:

That's why we need to stick together, Kristie.

 

They always try to portray us fans as crazy, defensive, and unhinged.

 

Like.....do you not realize why we act this way?

 

Why do you act this way?

[Donquizote]

Not surprise here. 

Beyonce being Beyonce

[Moloko Plus]

Just now, Kristie Kuwa said:

She used a ******* lalala in the background for 2 seconds at the end of energy

yall make it seem ms kelis got stolen to the bone. And the moment it popped up, it got removed

It was the disgusting comments y’all left for her that was foul. Regardless if it was two seconds or not, it was HER song and it was uncredited 

[Kristie Kuwa]

Just now, Moloko Plus said:

It was the disgusting comments y’all left for her that was foul. Regardless if it was two seconds or not, it was HER song and it was uncredited 

Technically it was Pharells song and Bey credited him, but oh well

Ur proving u dont really dig all that deep and just follow some hater rhetoric copy and pasted from reddit

Edited February 19 by Kristie Kuwa

[Hunter_13]

I mean this is common knowledge at this point. 

[Chris]

1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

She used a ******* lalala in the background for 2 seconds at the end of energy

yall make it seem ms kelis got stolen to the bone. And the moment it popped up, it got removed

Wasn't Kelis upset because Beyonce didn't personally reach out to her for sampling a song she did not write at all?