celeb news Songwriter Tiffany Red calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits

[IsidoraMarí]

15 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Gosh u really decide to not use brain at times, right? Its not about winning, its about constantly winning everything against BLACK peers but constantly losing ALL the time when put against WHITE peers. Its really not that hard to grasp

I thought it was strictly the big 3 categories, I'm pretty sure she's beaten Billie a few times in Pop Vocal or Music Video category and has lost to black artists multiple times. This is pure hubris.

 

[family.guy123]

Dolly Parton said no to Elvis then she was rewarded with 100% of the proceeds when Whitney covered it. We all make choices.

 

 

[ricardoazevedo]

2 hours ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Last time I checked she’s speaking on her experiences.. she don’t know what or how Beyoncé works seeing she’s NEVER worked with her   A clout chasing ho 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

She said she talked with songwriters who worked with her, and ho? Do you know her to call her that? 

[honestopinion]

1 minute ago, family.guy123 said:

Dolly Parton said no to Elvis then she was rewarded with 100% of the proceeds when Whitney covered it. We all make choices.

 

 

Dolly is such a smart business woman. Love that for her!

[Dragonbeast]

2 hours ago, CandleGuy said:

So the artist should get 0% of the royalties just because they didn't write the song?

 

Isn't having a cut of publishing the only way the artist gets paid from streams and sales?

When singers record and release a song someone else wrote, they would earn performance royalties (and not songwriting credits). That would also apply if they played an instrument on a recording by someone else - or they might be paid a flat fee for performing on someone else's song.

[OrgVisual]

34 minutes ago, TeemoR said:

and that's why she never wins AOTY, she can have all the media payola in the world, but the industry knows. 

The industry that gave her Song Of The Year? 

[KingWitch]

Everyone has said this for years now but Beyonce's fans have gotten so good at bullying anyone that tries to come forward(by bringing up their social status or their lack of fame etc)that it's basically pointless.

 

I am sure a lot people are going to just deflect from what she said by bringing the whole lyrics vs composition thing ,even when there's demos of Beyonce singing the song exactly how the demo was

 

[Thor]

Will these accusations derail another Grammy campaign for Beyonce?
 

Are we going to witness another Jay Z meltdown? Stay tuned.

 

[alexrex]

Yet her fans get mad when you call out her fraudulence 

 

Yes, she's a fantastic performer, vocalist, dancer etc... but she just doesn't write her songs. It's ok. 

[jadeabove]

15 minutes ago, Dragonbeast said:

When singers record and release a song someone else wrote, they would earn performance royalties (and not songwriting credits). That would also apply if they played an instrument on a recording by someone else - or they might be paid a flat fee for performing on someone else's song.

On top of that, executive producers/the owners of the master also make a lot

of money for song placements on any media. Basically, B also makes money in other ways, outside of the streaming royalties. If the songwriter doesn’t have any “points” on the track, they won’t make a dime. 

[Kh-Loud]

22 minutes ago, IsidoraMarí said:

I thought it was strictly the big 3 categories, I'm pretty sure she's beaten Billie a few times in Pop Vocal or Music Video category and has lost to black artists multiple times. This is pure hubris.

 

One white woman has won more AOTY than every black woman in the history of time combined; therefore, stop acting like a dumbass and look at the statistic - It’s not cute appearing this stupid! 

Edited February 19 by Kh-Loud

[Phaunzie]

I'm shocked, I was rocked to my very foundation. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

So telling how these "exposes" always come when Bey is smashing lol where were u last year? Right, u were on mute.

 

Cloud chaser, thats what she is. Never worked with her but apparently has all the tea. Name the songwriters u know, NAME the SONG u refer to in ur Exposé..  but of course u dont do that. Just lots of air, crying about being poor yet I see u living in a nice house. Yea right

[QueenBLadyG]

11 minutes ago, alexrex said:

Yet her fans get mad when you call out her fraudulence 

 

Yes, she's a fantastic performer, vocalist, dancer etc... but she just doesn't write her songs. It's ok. 

Why does she have an ASCAP Award for her contributions to songwriting if that's the case? Her win was also history making, her being a Black woman. Not sure that organization, who does diligent work to make sure to verify each and every person responsible for the material being honored, would want to possibly put their credentials on the line for someone who as you claim, "doesn't write her songs".

Edited February 19 by QueenBLadyG

[Shinning]

46 minutes ago, Chris said:

All in the day in the life of Beyonce and yet she is still going to hit #1 on the Hot 100 and have a successful new album come April.

And at the end of the day THIS is why they’re mad. Nothing else.

 

The bigger the star the bigger the target and Beyoncé is the BIGGEST star.

[suburbannature]

Look, I’m a stan but I’ll be the first to admit that she receives undeserved credits. Does that mean she never writes or has no creative control? No, but she definitely tries to give the impression that she has contributed to dozens of songs she hasn’t.

 

and to those saying “b-but past collaborators said the opposite.” Uh, yeah, they signed agreements to not explicitly disclose the writing process so they make vague statements about a collaborative process.  

[mons†er]

11 minutes ago, KingWitch said:

Everyone has said this for years now but Beyonce's fans have gotten so good at bullying anyone that tries to come forward(by bringing up their social status or their lack of fame etc)that it's basically pointless.

 

I am sure a lot people are going to just deflect from what she said by bringing the whole lyrics vs composition thing ,even when there's demos of Beyonce singing the song exactly how the demo was

 

what demos by Beyoncé have you heard that shows she stole the song lyric for lyric, vocal for vocal along with melodies being the same? Even ‘Standing On The Sun’ she took out the second verse and added in the rap while also taking away bgv’s that were in the demo. Makeba Riddick’s demo of ‘Deja Vu’ is very different from the final version. so please explain what are you trying to get at exactly? 

[Kristie Kuwa]

4 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Look, I’m a stan but I’ll be the first to admit that she receives undeserved credits. Does that mean she never writes or has no creative control? No, but she definitely tries to give the impression that she has contributed to dozens of songs she hasn’t.

 

and to those saying “b-but past collaborators said the opposite.” Uh, yeah, they signed agreements to not explicitly disclose the writing process so they make vague statements about a collaborative process.  

Ur a stan yet I've never seen u in the base since I joined. Yea right.

And what are u basing ur assessments on? Intuition? Cause u sure as hell have no tea. 

Edited February 19 by Kristie Kuwa

[swissman]

3 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Look, I’m a stan but I’ll be the first to admit that she receives undeserved credits. Does that mean she never writes or has no creative control? No, but she definitely tries to give the impression that she has contributed to dozens of songs she hasn’t.

 

and to those saying “b-but past collaborators said the opposite.” Uh, yeah, they signed agreements to not explicitly disclose the writing process so they make vague statements about a collaborative process.  

There's a difference between being vague though, and outright praising Beyoncé's songwriting or her contributions to the final songs.

 

I also admit there are credits she has like changing a few words that don't constitute the idea of a "co-writer" we think of, but this is also very much a black-and-white thing. If you changed something, if you added anything, you technically are a co-writer, so I don't know why Beyoncé should give that same benefit to other writers or contributors or even her former assistant who came up with some words but never benefit from that same thing herself.

[QueenBLadyG]

1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Ur a stan yet I've never seen u in the base since I joined. Yea right.

And if they were a "stan" they would know how much she involved and adds to each and every song she uses for her records. She doesn't take "underserved credits". Songwriting rules are there for a reason. Even it's something as little as a word, no matter how unfair that may seem, guess what?  You're a songwriter on the song. That user is a clown. 

Edited February 19 by QueenBLadyG

[imabadkid]

I just started the video but why did miz girl Zendaya have to catch a stray like that

[swissman]

I've yet to see a convincing piece of information that states Beyoncé steals any writing credits. It's always reinterpretations of quotes that misconstrue what's actually being discussed (like Rob Fusari's), willful ignorance (like hearing Future answer that Drunk in Love wasn't his song he just recorded the demo but somehow thinking that means he said he wrote it), receipts of small word changes which factually constitutes enough for a songwriting credit or outright lies (like she stole a writing credit on If I Were A Boy).

 

On the other side, we have accounts of songs she's fully written by herself (Jumpin' Jumpin', Independent Women) or bridges added (Crazy in Love, Halo), or verses (Formation), etc. etc.

 

I think it's fair to say that the average Beyoncé song these days is a combination of several writers contributions that she puts together in the way she wants, then adds/subtracts/changes lyrics or melodies as she sees fit. But still, that's pretty involved, and I think it would be impossible for any artist, let alone one like Beyoncé who works with so many, to constantly work with new groups of people and continually put out highly cohesive works that not only have her sonic DNA in them, but that also relate to a greater concept that ties them all together.

 

 

Edited February 19 by swissman

[BeenThereDoneThat]

It’s been well known that Beyonce strong arms writers into giving up songwriting credits and publishing, so that she can have a bigger piece of the pie. 
 

 

[swissman]

1 minute ago, BeenThereDoneThat said:

It’s been well known that Beyonce strong arms writers into giving up songwriting credits and publishing, so that she can have a bigger piece of the pie. 
 

 

Do you have examples though, if this is so well known? Or do you mean it's well-speculated?

[Chris]

The dupes making their way to this thread.