celeb news Songwriter Tiffany Red calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits

[satellites.™]

Yes.... and?

[CandleGuy]

3 minutes ago, Miichael said:

The performer of the song already gets a cut of the royalties without having a songwriting credit. Saying that the songwriters deserve to get less of their share of royalties for songwriting is kind of like saying that the CEO of a billion dollar corporation should be able to underpay their factory workers because they are distributing 100% of the product and are the only reason those workers are employed. As music fans, we should all have more respect and care for the rights of songwriters and this is across the board, it's not just about Beyoncé or one particular artist, but about how the industry is literally designed to not support the very people it thrives on.

Thank you for explaining.

 

I agree that only the songwriters should get songwriting credits, I thought 'publishing' might include something other than songwriting but if it's just that then yeah I'm sure the stories are true about Bey changing one word or adding an ad-lib and taking a credit.

[Kristie Kuwa]

7 minutes ago, Chris said:

First of all, we know damn well if Tiffany was offered a chance to write or work with Beyonce, she would jump at the chance.

 

Second of all, if she has not worked with Beyonce, why is she mentioning her name?

 

She is clearly using Beyonce's name for attention like some of these other broads do and it's quite pathetic if you ask me.

Very that!

 

Also its funny how its always black artists tearing each other down while white artists love to praise each other to the high heavens lol

Edited February 19 by Kristie Kuwa

[Bussea]

It’s crazy how whenever people like Tiffany speak up against artists , fans of the artist always try to dispute and tell her that she’s lying as if they know these people and pretend to be dumb to the practices of the music industry. 

 

She was wronged and she can speak about it.

 

“B-B-But she’s never worked with Beyonce!” 

 

And she explains WHY she never has and that she’s in circles with people who have/do

 

EDIT: and the idiotic “well don’t be a songwriter!” comments are unnecessary. she has bills to pay and mouths to feed. yes, she knows what she was getting into when she decided to write for artists but just because she knew doesn’t mean that it’s correct. why are yall defending rich people stealing from struggling artists?? because you like a few beyonce songs?  

Edited February 19 by Cult Leader 𐕣𐕣

[CandleGuy]

8 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Y’all realize songwriters can take their music to other artists like Rihanna who don’t charge like this? Why do you always come into threads and side with the most powerful party like police who kill innocent people? 

Ok so do it then 

 

Or is that why Rih never stepped foot in a studio again after she realized she could make actual coin in fashion instead of .0000000001 per stream of her music.

[satellites.™]

12 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Y’all realize songwriters can take their music to other artists like Rihanna who don’t charge like this? 

THEN GO DO IT.

 

They want BEYONCE baby, her songs MAKE MONEY and a LOT OF IT.

 

 

[Bussea]

wait im screaming at zendaya being the first artist exposed

 

she better not be lying about something new

[PrettyHurts]

16 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Y’all realize songwriters can take their music to other artists like Rihanna who don’t charge like this? Why do you always come into threads and side with the most powerful party like police who kill innocent people? 

Is Rihanna known to be better or something? Doesn't she also do writing camps and record demos from songwriters? She's credited on every song on Anti... 

[IsidoraMarí]

12 minutes ago, Comedor said:

This tired ass fake drag again?
 

It’s like dragging Rihanna for having a huge forehead, that **** was left in the 10s and it’s Feb 2024 now.

 

You'd think that but it's Feb 2024 and people are still crying live on the Grammys about Beyonce not winning everything every time. 

[Namie-Knowles]

30 minutes ago, BnPac said:

And the story of bleaching as well. . 

Low key I am wondering why people have such a herd mentality. "If a group or someone is accused of something alot then it HAS to be true". I'm not saying it isn't the case, in many cases it is actually a solid line of thought. But that's where using that brain, ya know. Simple questions

 

1.) Is this person a public figure?

2.) Is this person a part of a marginalized identity, which means they have had widespread lies leveraged at people like them even before their conception. 

3.) Is the source of the accusation coming from non-trustworthy, or uncredible source?

 

Just these three questions alone would be enough to see nuance and critical thinking to be activated. It should make you second guess on using village logic. Cause it's the same logic that allows for bigotry to exist to begin with.

 

"Black people are always accused of being thieves so it must be true!!!!" Would be insane deductive reasoning.

Edited February 19 by Namie-Knowles

[jadeabove]

22 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

I have no idea what Beyonce contributes to the actual songwriting process but it's obvious she is a cental force in shaping the vision and evolving the songs into their final form by focusing on what works and guiding the teams she assembles. Like, this isn't a Rihanna writing camp where the artist was absent as Tiffany said, Beyoncé is there shepherding the process every step of the way. These songs would not exist without her and again, that's without knowing what she contributes in terms of actual words and melodies which I assume isn't negligible. She has worked with huge names across her last few albums from Pharrell and JT to Jack White and Honey Dijon. Why would these accomplished artists accept her taking publishing she didn't earn, they're not upstarts. They've all only ever had glowing things to say about her so forgive me for taking their word over some obsessed ATRLer with an obvious axe to grind.

I agree with B being systematically excellent at curating excellent music. However bear in mind, that B could also have different types of contracts when it comes to different level of songwriters.

[badgirlriri]

5 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

Is Rihanna known to be better or something? Doesn't she also do writing camps and record demos from songwriters? She's credited on every song on Anti... 

She's actually not credited for Same Ol' Mistakes. Rihanna's probably one of the cleanest artists when it comes to treating songwriters fairly.

[ohwow]

the people in here who obviously didnt watch the whole video yet are trying to dismiss everything she said 

[TeemoR]

and that's why she never wins AOTY, she can have all the media payola in the world, but the industry knows. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

9 minutes ago, IsidoraMarí said:

You'd think that but it's Feb 2024 and people are still crying live on the Grammys about Beyonce not winning everything every time. 

Gosh u really decide to not use brain at times, right? Its not about winning, its about constantly winning everything against BLACK peers but constantly losing ALL the time when put against WHITE peers. Its really not that hard to grasp

[Chris]

Being accused of stealing writing credits, being accused of not crediting others, being accused of having way to many samples/writers, being accused of bleaching her skin, being accused of being groomed by Jay Z (a very SERIOUS allegation btw), being accused of stopping Farrah Franklin from shining (even without any vocal talent or charisma), being accused of not giving birth to any of her kids, being accused of supporting genocide, being accused of being on Epstein's Island/List...

 

Did I miss anything else?

 

All in the day in the life of Beyonce and yet she is still going to hit #1 on the Hot 100 and have a successful new album come April.

 

[Jay07]

3 minutes ago, TeemoR said:

and that's why she never wins AOTY, she can have all the media payola in the world, but the industry knows. 

This has to be the dumbest argument of all considering she is the most awarded person in Grammy history. So the people voting for the R&B categories don't know and the people voting for the general do? And what about all the other Black females that always lose in the main categories, do they "steal credits" too?

[Rhiannon]

Wbk for decades, she's the i am... such a thief chantause for a reason

 

Edited February 19 by Rhiannon

[QueenBLadyG]

This is nothing to even listen to

 

If you don't want to sign away rights, you don't have to. Beyoncé is proven songwriter and contributer on all her projects. It just enrages people who think it's unfair and that doesn't mean a damn thing. Get over it. This is the music business. She mentions multiple artist doing the same thing but somehow it's Beyonce being singled out. 

Edited February 19 by QueenBLadyG

[Johnny Cash]

If she's always brought up when talking about this issue then it has to be for a reason

[Chris]

Beyonce is always right.

 

Her naysayers are always WRONG.

 

Case closed.

 

 

 

[State of Grace.]

3 hours ago, PrettyHurts said:

She's 100% right. But she's not talking about "stealing credits", she's talking about taking a percentage of the publishing. Beyoncé is always, 100% of the time, credited as a songwriter and producer on every song she records. Of course, I believe she worked intimately with every song she records, but it's not fair to take a percentage of a work that you may not have earned. Of course we can never know how much Bey contributes unless we're in the studio with her, but her sentiment about how what happens with songwriters working for powerful artists is right. I wish Bey would work with a smaller pool of writers or be willing to give someone sole credit if necessary . 

/endthread

 

And this applies to most A list artists.

 

The thread getting derailed because both sides (the blind stans & the "Thiéf!!! thats why shes never winning AOTY!!" crowd) clearly did not even listen to what she was saying in the video or choosing to be obtuse  

Edited February 19 by State of Grace.

[QueenBLadyG]

16 minutes ago, TeemoR said:

and that's why she never wins AOTY, she can have all the media payola in the world, but the industry knows. 

The Grammys aren't a "performer must have written the song solely by themselves" award. That's not a requirement for being considered or awarded and is only a narrative recently being pushed by Beyonce haters to justify the racism behind her and other Black artist not winning. 

[mons†er]

people on ATRL still don’t know how songwriting works I see. 

 

songwriting is not just writing the lyrics, songwriting is any significant contribution to melody, lyrics, or structure. Beyoncé has proven on several occasions LIVE, that she can change the melody to fit in with her vision of the song.

 

If you have ever heard a demo and then heard the final version, you can clearly hear how the melody has changed or how the vocals have been rearranged, or maybe a few words were tweaked in order for the song to make sense. I have the ‘4’ demos and you can hear how she added the background vocals, added extra drums to ‘Countdown’ ,changed the melody on the final version on ‘Best I Never Had’ to fit how she really wanted to sing the song. she even took out the ‘dumb motherf***ker’ part at the end of BTINH. 

 

Please understand how songwriting works and stop running up in these threads trying to discredit Beyonce’ because you dislike her. 

[GraceRandolph]

44 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

Ok so do it then 

Why don’t women getting sexually harassed by their bosses just change jobs?