celeb news Songwriter Tiffany Red calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits

[BnPac]

She has never worked with her yet... I guess we really are in a new era and she's really about to go #1. 

When it's not the satanic talk, it's the songwriting credits. Then it will be the bleaching. 

 

She gives credits to people who write her songs and she takes credits for what she seems should be credited just like some songs like Indépendant Women that she self wrote have other people's names for contributing. No one has ever come out and say they wrote a song, Beyoncé took their name out of the credits. I won't even bother further.

[CandleGuy]

56 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Why should B get 25% of a song she wrote 0% of? 

Because she performed 100% of it and is the only reason any of them are getting paid anything? 

 

I was asking questions because I'm genuinely curious, does an artist get paid for streams if they don't have a cut of the publishing? 

 

Or if they don't have a cut of the publishing do they receive 0% from the consumption of the music?

 

Because if that's the case of course they want and deserve a cut? The ****?

Edited February 19 by CandleGuy

[frankvert]

2 minutes ago, Pheromosa said:

Your fixation on black people is weird 

Sorry that I find it genuinely repulsive for a woman to perpetuate the same injustices against black people that she profits off of, claiming to be against it. For real, Bey is one of the only people on the planet who’s powerful enough to make a change but she’s actually one of the biggest culprits.
 

It must be hard to read and process, considering the delusion, ignorance, and selective outrage going on in here. 
 

Also salt in the wound that her white, Cracker Jack counterpart in status & power (Taylor) has actually spoken out & driven change against financial injustices against creatives. 

 

[jadeabove]

I do think that the songwriters perhaps underestimate how much Beyonce contributes to her vocal production and that is considered in some way, songwriting as well. With her vocals being a central part of her creative approach, one could see why Beyonce takes a 25% split (apparently). I guess somehow, some songwriters are disagreeing with this share either way.

[magazine]

oh wow 

[Kristie Kuwa]

If u dont like being part of the industry, dont sell ur songs. Nobody is forcing u to give away ur songs. Its ur choice. U chose this life for u

[Namie-Knowles]

28 minutes ago, jadeabove said:

The stories of Beyonce being a satanic worshippper has come back too often for it not to be true in some way. 

 

This logic ate.

Edited February 19 by Namie-Knowles

[jadeabove]

Just now, Namie-Knowles said:

lol. I died. I Stan Satan too.

[Mornings]

So beyonce can get famous off these songs people write. She can get brand deals, market her name and image. She can go on tour, she can make movies about the making of the music and tour. She can make soooo much money just being the face of these songs, but somehow that’s not enough and she needs the songwriting creds and publishing percentage. You don’t become a billionaire with clean hands 

[Pheromosa]

4 minutes ago, frankvert said:

considering the delusion, ignorance, and selective outrage going on in here

well its coming from your side so.. 

[QueenBeyoncé]

But wait The Girls were kiing about Alien Superstar credits.. you girls giving bipolar 

 

Edited February 19 by QueenBeyoncé

[frankvert]

3 minutes ago, Pheromosa said:

well its coming from your side so.. 

We get it, you’ll side with Uncle Tom Knowles regardless of her unjust business practices. Just leave the race card at the door next time 

 

Edited February 19 by frankvert

[Weld_E]

6 pages based on hersay from someone who didn’t even work with her?

 

You know she’s about to SMASH when her haters are flocking to this thread because they have nothing else to drag.

[Weld_E]

1 hour ago, Zefierce said:

Beyonce is infamous for being a thief, so this comes to a surprise to no one.

The nerve when your fave stole 50% from a new comer for having a similar (and generic) melody in 3 seconds of her song.

[Abracadabra]

1 hour ago, beyonceparkwood said:

Not this narrative again…

 

Somehow she ‘steals’ but at the same time ‘has so many credits’. Like pick or choose, those two are juxtaposing. It’s been this narrative since forever 🤠

I'm not understanding this narrative. I don't know or claim to know how much Beyoncé writes, but just in general, crediting a lot of writers and also stealing credits are not mutually exclusive. If you are crediting a lot of different writers on a song, and then still take a writing credit for a song you didn't write, that's eating into the already tiny percentage of royalties that each songwriter is entitled to. There is only a limited number of royalty points available on a recording, sure the writers are credited but crediting the writers isn't really the issue, it's the fact that the credit becomes almost worthless when they are deprived of their fair share of the percentage.

[LoveInStereo]

She’s right about all of it & should say it!

She has very few repeat collaborators which is something I’ve noticed that lends credibility to these longstanding rumours. Daddy Lessons is a story about Diana Gordon’s life. DG never wrote for her again after Lemonade. It’s suspicious. People defending this are bootlickers with a juvenile mindset. You can like & even love Beyoncé & admit she’s done wrong by people. Blaming the victim & saying these people agreed to it & should quit if it’s so bad… creepy & weird

[Domination]

I’m confused, why not just record and release the songs yourself then? If you want a piece of the machine, then you have to play the game. 

[BnPac]

Just now, Namie-Knowles said:

And the story of bleaching as well. 

 

Spoiler

When #Kelis was saying this very same thing about Beyonce stealing her samples for ENERGY on Renaissance,

Apparently Beyoncé stole Kelis' samples and publishing too!!

 

Beyoncé will always put her name in a song that she is singing, has rearranged and/or contributed to just like people appear in songs that she wrote just for suggestion. If those writers don't want that they don't have to give the songs to her, it's simple. No one, not a single person that was with Beyoncé in the studio has ever come out and said Beyoncé did them dirty, quite the contrary. She was celebrated by black writers for ending the drought during 4 when dance was dominating, every writer who worked with her has praised her immense talent, her production ability and her vision. 

 

No matter how much people drum this "she can't sing" "she bleached her skin" "she's a satanist" "she can't write", that's not how she will be remembered. Those pseudo "facts" are just lies that said over and over appear as truths to people who want to believe them. 

[Pheromosa]

2 minutes ago, frankvert said:

We get it, you’ll side with Uncle Tom Knowles regardless of her unjust business practices. Just leave the race card at the door next time 

 

You started it??

I take back the QANON thing, it's definitely giving Azealia now 

 

[Shinning]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

This is why she has yet to win AOTY. The industry knows what Beyonce is like when it comes to her "writing" and that stigma is not going to go away any time soon. This is what happens when your ego drives your "Art"; you will buy and steal writing credits because you want people to think you are something you are not. No one really cares if Beyonce writes her music, but they do if she does not and yet claims she does. It has gotten to the point where people just do not believe her when she says she has written her stuff.

So why has Gaga yet to win a General field Grammy? Since you know she writes her songs and all 

[GraceRandolph]

19 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

Because she performed 100% of it and is the only reason any of them are getting paid anything? 

 

I was asking questions because I'm genuinely curious, does an artist get paid for streams if they don't have a cut of the publishing? 

 

Or if they don't have a cut of the publishing do they receive 0% from the consumption of the music?

 

Because if that's the case of course they want and deserve a cut? The ****?

Y’all realize songwriters can take their music to other artists like Rihanna who don’t charge like this? Why do you always come into threads and side with the most powerful party like police who kill innocent people? 

[Chris]

First of all, we know damn well if Tiffany was offered a chance to write or work with Beyonce, she would jump at the chance.

 

Second of all, if she has not worked with Beyonce, why is she mentioning her name?

 

She is clearly using Beyonce's name for attention like some of these other broads do and it's quite pathetic if you ask me.

[Jay07]

14 minutes ago, jadeabove said:

I do think that the songwriters perhaps underestimate how much Beyonce contributes to her vocal production and that is considered in some way, songwriting as well. With her vocals being a central part of her creative approach, one could see why Beyonce takes a 25% split (apparently). I guess somehow, some songwriters are disagreeing with this share either way.

I have no idea what Beyonce contributes to the actual songwriting process but it's obvious she is a cental force in shaping the vision and evolving the songs into their final form by focusing on what works and guiding the teams she assembles. Like, this isn't a Rihanna writing camp where the artist was absent as Tiffany said, Beyoncé is there shepherding the process every step of the way. These songs would not exist without her and again, that's without knowing what she contributes in terms of actual words and melodies which I assume isn't negligible. She has worked with huge names across her last few albums from Pharrell and JT to Jack White and Honey Dijon. Why would these accomplished artists accept her taking publishing she didn't earn, they're not upstarts. They've all only ever had glowing things to say about her so forgive me for taking their word over some obsessed ATRLer with an obvious axe to grind.

[Abracadabra]

16 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

Because she performed 100% of it and is the only reason any of them are getting paid anything? 

 

I was asking questions because I'm genuinely curious, does an artist get paid for streams if they don't have a cut of the publishing? 

 

Or if they don't have a cut of the publishing do they receive 0% from the consumption of the music?

 

Because if that's the case of course they want and deserve a cut? The ****?

The performer of the song already gets a cut of the royalties without having a songwriting credit. Saying that the songwriters deserve to get less of their share of royalties for songwriting is kind of like saying that the CEO of a billion dollar corporation should be able to underpay their factory workers because they are distributing 100% of the product and are the only reason those workers are employed. As music fans, we should all have more respect and care for the rights of songwriters and this is across the board, it's not just about Beyoncé or one particular artist, but about how the industry is literally designed to not support the very people it thrives on.

[Comedor]

This tired ass fake drag again?
 

It’s like dragging Rihanna for having a huge forehead, that **** was left in the 10s and it’s Feb 2024 now.