celeb news Songwriter Tiffany Red calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits

[Pheromosa]

3 minutes ago, MattieB said:

Yall and these weak comebacks lmao. You do realize if you call that man a pedo, your fave is a pedo sympathizer who dresses herself and her daughter as a known pedo

I said allegations, but you must believe its true 

[trainsskyscrapers]

10 hours ago, Miley Cyrus said:

can beyonce get a GED and write her own songs

this thievery has gone on way too long. miley can't relate.

Miley Cyrus? If you're bringing someone up to compare, their record check better be clean. You must be talking about Hannah Montana because this can't be the same Miley Cyrus who owes the writers of "I Will Survive" a HEFTY bag for borrowing their melody in "Flowers". 

 

"We Can't Stop" Miley Cyrus? The one Flourgon received a bag from because she cut corners crediting people?

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2018, Jamaican artist Flourgon filed a copyright infringement suit in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York against Cyrus and RCA Records, alleging that Cyrus had unlawfully used the "original, creative and unique lyrical phraseology" of his 1988 reggae song "We Run Things" as the repeated chorus and hook of "We Can't Stop"; specifically, he alleged that the phrase "We run things/ Things don't run we" from "We Can't Stop" was substantially similar to the phrase "We run things/Things no run we" from "We Run Things". The parties settled the lawsuit out of court and the case was subsequently dismissed in early 2020.

 

 

[MattieB]

8 minutes ago, Pheromosa said:

I said allegations, but you must believe its true 

Does the same not go for you if you're using it 

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Jay07 said:

What these people describe is the work of a producer and all major producers who reshape the songs so significantly demand publishing. 

Not really.

 

Rae Sremmurd was describing Beyoncé writing the verses of Formation and thus "...She takes ideas and puts them with her own ideas, and makes this masterpiece". Writing verses is very much the work of a writer.

 

As for Caroline's quote, that is not to be understood as a complete account of every aspect Beyoncé contributed to the song. That's her talking about how an instrumental she thought was going to be cut made it into the final version because of certain changes Beyoncé made to allow it. We really don't know what further lyrical or melodic changes there might have been, but considering Caroline also states Beyoncé changed the way the song was sung, it's possible. I admit it's inconclusive though and as it is described it does lean towards a "producer" duty, not the standard idea of a writing credit. But by Caroline's own words she describes what Beyoncé did for the song as being a "genius writer and producer" so I'm unsure we can totally call be completely certain that it was just production that she contributed.

 

Still, Beyoncé has a long history of crediting producers as songwriters as they have contributed to how the song is written on paper in its final form, they get a credit. If you look at RENAISSANCE's producing credits, some of which reach up to 10 producers, most of them also appear in the writing credits as well, and when they don't they're listed as "co-" or "additional producers". This seems to be because Beyoncé is incredibly generous and goes overboard with crediting (like for example giving people who happen to be in the room a writing credit for coming up with a word, or crediting the writers of Show Me Love for BREAK MY SOUL despite just an interpolated synth that only appears in a remix of the original writers' song being used).

 

 

Edited February 20 by swissman

[Happylittlepunk]

Beyonce is no doubt one of the most talented women in music history but at this point isn’t beyonce herself tired of these rumors always coming out every era? If there is any truth to beyonce buying or stealing credits then she needs to put a stop too it. She had nothing prove. She already made her mark as the most awarded female artist of all time at the Grammys and she is no doubt the mj of the new generation. 

[Nippy'sReceipts]

If she’s over taking publishing , I think she should stop. 
 

but so should the entire industry not just her. 
 

Songwriters  do need to eat and if they aren’t being compensated for their time or lodging during songwriting camps and not allowed to use  songs they wrote for their own projects , that is. messed up

 

Most of these writers don’t even know their song is chosen for a Beyonce album until after it comes out which I always thought was odd.

 

I am for songwriters rights. Without songwriters, music wouldn’t exist . They are very important and I want them to be paid their  just dues by the artists, publishers/labels, and streaming companies. They shouldn’t be exploited because they’re the little guy .

 

 

 

Edited February 20 by Nippy'sReceipts

[Josh]

1 hour ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Beyonce is no doubt one of the most talented women in music history but at this point isn’t beyonce herself tired of these rumors always coming out every era? If there is any truth to beyonce buying or stealing credits then she needs to put a stop too it. She had nothing prove. She already made her mark as the most awarded female artist of all time at the Grammys and she is no doubt the mj of the new generation. 

you just made that up

[Happylittlepunk]

9 minutes ago, Josh said:

you just made that up

No and how? She is literally the best performer in the world right now. 

[QueenB]

so someone who has never worked with her is saying a bunch of nothing. How many people in this thread even watched the video..?

[Josh]

37 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said:

No and how? She is literally the best performer in the world right now. 

The standards are low right now so ofc she's the best

[Chris]

16 pages?

[goverm3nth0ker]

first sia on her basement and know this...ms carter really don't know how to grab a pencil

[Monkey_Juice]

She's been stealing writing credits for over 20 years now.

 

Tell us something new.

 

[Pheromosa]

1 hour ago, Chris said:

16 pages?

All they do is circle jerk now that mother has the charts again 

[Chris]

How did people make this about Beyonce "stealing" writing credits when this woman has never even worked with Beyonce?

[Jude]

I did not expect her to drag Zendaya of all people in that video, and not in the first 10 seconds of it.

 

So Tiff has some valid points and I believe songwriters deserve better compensation but why was she using Beyonce to make that point when she has never worked with her? I get she needs to make a point but she clearly used Beyonce's name for clout. She could have just mentioned those artists she mentioned before she mentioned Beyonce and stopped there.

[Nippy'sReceipts]

33 minutes ago, Chris said:

How did people make this about Beyonce "stealing" writing credits when this woman has never even worked with Beyonce?

Did you watch her video? She’s speaking on behalf of the writers who did work with Beyonce who are her friends . They can’t speak because Beyonce makes them sign NDA’s . 
 

I saw her video and she isn’t some kind random hater of Beyonce. She was speaking clearly and making sense about the exploitation from the capitalist and greedy  music industry system . She even said the reason she called out Beyonce particularly is because  if anyone  can change that system and speak up about songwriter robbery it’s her since she is influential as the MJ of our generation.  
 

Heavy is the head that wears the crown. If Beyonces Renaissance is about taking back black genres and empowerment  and liberation , how can she promote that when black songwriters are done wrong ?

[QueenBLadyG]

 

2 hours ago, Chris said:

16 pages?

It beat the Kelis thread by a page so far! Bey is on a bigger high this eras for sure! Her haters are extra big mad! 

[Fleahive]

The world loves negativity. I bet if I made a thread about the songwriter for Sandcastles that interviewed today about his experience it wouldn’t have 16 pages since he had nothing but positive things to say. The only ones who say bad things are the ones who never worked with her or people pulling receipts from over a decade and a half ago with no context lol

 

He reveals what Beyonce wrote AND that she offered him main producer credit which is not what he intended. 
 

More receipts proving Beyonce is overly generous with credits lol. 

 

 

Edited February 21 by Fleahive

[toxicgenie]

Beyonce has admitted to stealing so it's not even a debate. If it doesn't matter to who her fans then good for her. However, she's still open to criticism about taking credit for other people's art. 

 

 

[ericcartman]

I mean we all know Beyonce isn't a songwriter, but she will always have her name on the credits. Sometimes she adds words, sometimes makes changes, sometimes due to vocal runs, sometimes she pieces two lines from two songs together, etc. 

[burninredhot]

Oh the damage control in this thread  i mean this narrative wouldn't exist if there wasn't alteast a little bit of truth to it

[Kakihara]

Wasn't this already known? Some artist change a couple words to get co-writing credits and that's something the songwriters are getting into when they sign up for it. I know they need coins but it's how that industry works and if you speak up you'll probable won't work much. 

[swissman]

20 hours ago, goverm3nth0ker said:

first sia on her basement and know this...ms carter really don't know how to grab a pencil

Using the Sia basement comment is kind of hilarious because it shows exactly how these "scandals" regarding songwriting are always either lies or exaggerations.

In actuality only ONE Sia-written song has ever appeared on any Beyoncé album (Pretty Hurts). TWO if we include the remix to Standing on the Sun that was included in the MORE EP.

 

So across seven different albums plus two side projects Sia's work has appeared on a Beyoncé album twice, both within the same era.

 

 

 

Edited February 21 by swissman

[Navyboy20]

it's only stan twitter that's using this video as some gotcha moment. People that actually work in the industry empathize with her but its common sense that the artist deserves publishing for performing the song. 

 

This producer makes an excellent argument for why Beyonce isn't doing anything shady or unethical.