celeb news Songwriter Tiffany Red calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits

[BeenThereDoneThat]

7 minutes ago, swissman said:

Do you have examples though, if this is so well known? Or do you mean it's well-speculated?

What about the writer/producer Stefan Fusari, who said he was sitting at home watching an interview where Beyonce claimed she wrote Bootylicious. When he called Matthew to complain, Matthew basically said “Oh well, that’s how the industry works”

[Kristie Kuwa]

Just now, Chris said:

Wasn't Kelis upset because Beyonce didn't personally reach out to her for sampling a song she did not write at all?

 

Yes exactly, because the song belongs to Pharell, who got credited for it I believe 

[Chris]

1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Technically it was Pharells song and Bey credited him, but oh well

Ur proving u dont really dig all that deep and just follow some hater rhetoric copy and pasted from reddit

So the "Lalala" part was sampled from Milkshake? I thought it was something production wise.

 

And isn't "lalalala" like a basic lyric or melody?

 

[Kristie Kuwa]

Just now, Chris said:

So the "Lalala" part was sampled from Milkshake? I thought it was something production wise.

 

And isn't "lalalala" like a basic lyric or melody?

 

I mean at this point u know its just been a hard week for then nnnn we should let them vent a bit

 

[Kh-Loud]

7 minutes ago, Zefierce said:

This comment is giving transphobia, ngl.

 

Have some respect for a deceased talented trans artist.

I don’t know who that is.

 

Also, you’re the last person who should speak of decency and respect, Rotten Yeast infested molded sperm! 

Edited February 19 by Kh-Loud

[aotearoa]

Not a surprise. She's just like Dua Lipa... good at selecting well-written songs to re-record. 

Formation, Apeshit, Energy... 

[Zefierce]

1 minute ago, Kh-Loud said:

I don’t know who that is.

 

Also, you’re the last person who should speak of decency and respect, Rotten Yeast infested molded sperm! 

Reported

[Chris]

2 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

I mean at this point u know its just been a hard week for then nnnn we should let them vent a bit

 

And one more thing:

 

Did you notice how Kelis reacted not knowing she was sampled as opposed to the others?

 

She was like the only one who had something nasty to say about Beyonce while the other artists who didn't know they were sampled until it was public knowledge said positive things about Beyonce.

 

No wonder Beyonce removed her ass from the credits. That was glorious, petty, and well-deserved.

 

  

[swissman]

3 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

You said all that to not really say anything. Tiffany Red said Bey has taken a percentage of publishing rights from the artists who actually wrote the material because it’s an industry norm that Bey helped normalize. Tiffany also claimed there’s vocalists and producers on Renaissance with improperly filed credits that still haven’t been properly handled. She also said you’re not gonna hear from these people directly because they’ve all been made to sign NDA’s. Regardless of which way you try to present it, this is FOUL for an artist of Beyonce’s caliber. You’re hearing from a reliable person that actually personally knows the people who worked on this album, yet you’re working up a fantasy in your head that “I think it's fair to say that the average Beyoncé song these days is a combination of several writers contributions that she puts together in the way she wants.” Like girl.

Just because you choose to ignore what I said doesn't mean I said nothing.

What makes Tiffany a "reliable" person though? I'm not saying she's unreliable I just don't know enough about her to say that everything she says in her video essay is 100% true. What about the people who have spoken about their writing process on RENAISSANCE? Are they not reliable people? Only Tiffany? Are you just not going to believe anyone who says good things? Because if so, you're kind of functioning in conspiracy theories where any counter argument is met with the "well that's what they WANT you to think..." response.

You can call my assumption on how Beyoncé works (based on accounts of her actual collaborators) to be fantasy but it seems incredibly backed up by the reality of the finished products. You can literally hear it in the music. Hold Up is a good example where you only have to look at the writing credits to denote who basically wrote what.

 

 

[swissman]

The hilarious thing is that Beyoncé is perhaps one of the most generous people with her credits. She could round up to interpolation and cut out a lot of the co-writers on her songs, like Harry Styles did on As It Was, like Ariana did on yes, and?, we could go on...

[swissman]

5 minutes ago, aotearoa said:

Not a surprise. She's just like Dua Lipa... good at selecting well-written songs to re-record. 

Formation, Apeshit, Energy... 

She wrote the verses of Formation which literally give the song its entire purpose.

[QueenBLadyG]

The scrambling because Beyoncé DESTROYED any false ideas and narratives these losers had about her power with THE & 16C!! 

 

This only confirms she's really doing something right. Desperate and bitter nobodies doing what they do best, to cope! Cry harder, *******!

 

[DAP]

This is what she gets for dropping lame country music

 

[TROJAN]

12 minutes ago, Zefierce said:

Reported

I reported that miserable **** too 

[Moloko Plus]

Tiffany gave y’all a 15 minute lesson on how the music industry and its politics are ****** up, how writers are being exploited, and how they’re not able to afford a livelihood. Yet the Beyhive in here in hysterics over how Beyoncé removed Kelis from credits of a song that she was originally sampled in and calling Tiffany a “clout chasing ho”. Never change y’all 

[swissman]

45 minutes ago, BeenThereDoneThat said:

What about the writer/producer Stefan Fusari, who said he was sitting at home watching an interview where Beyonce claimed she wrote Bootylicious. When he called Matthew to complain, Matthew basically said “Oh well, that’s how the industry works”

*Rob Fusari

 

But that's not an example of strong-arming for a credit. In fact it's not even an example of her stealing a credit whatsoever.

What Rob took issue with was Beyoncé not mentioning who provided the Edge of Seventeen sample to her, which was him.

 

In her account she was going through potential instrumentals on a flight to Japan and stated that the Edge of Seventeen sample reminded her of a curvaceous woman, which is where she got the idea for Bootylicious.

 

When Rob complanied to Matthew about this lack of verbal credit for short-listing the sample, Rob says Matthew basically said no one wanted to hear about him. Harsh, but not untrue and certainly not an example of anyone stealing any songwriting credit nor forcing anyone to give credit away. Whether or not Beyoncé said "I heard the instrumental and..." or "I heard the instrumental that Rob gave me and..." doesn't really make much of a difference to most people except to Rob, who was upset she didn't talk about him.

 

In Rob's own words:

[Him and Beyoncé were] “talking about lyrics and concepts back and forth over the phone. ... She was out of the country at that point, but she had the ‘Bootylicious’ concept in her head. That was totally her. She knew what she wanted to say....”

 

So not only does is he clear that it all started from her idea, he's confirmed her story as well. She was travelling, listening to instrumentals he put together and came up with the idea for it. No songwriting credit was "strong-armed" or even stolen.

 

 

EDIT: What's even funnier is that it was ROB who actually admits to having tried to "strong-arm" (to use that loosely) Stevie Knicks out of writing credits by advocating for him to play the sample on guitar himself so that they didn't have to give Stevie 50% of the publishing due to her sample. Matthew refused and Stevie got her fair songwriting credit and publishing.

 

 

 

Edited February 19 by swissman

[Kristie Kuwa]

6 minutes ago, DAP said:

This is what she gets for dropping lame country music

 

This = WW success? Lol

 

Like she's literally repeaking commercially nnnnn

[Great808]

So at this point nothing’s gonna stop her from doing it so what they should do is let her but completely disqualify her from being nominated at the Grammys from here on out as long as she’s doing this treacherous crap. You shouldn’t be able to steal other hard working ppls art and then turn around and basically try to threaten ppl to give you awards for something you didn’t even do. We all know how much that award means to her and her fans and it would be the most crucial thing to do to her so maybe THEN she might learn.

[Mocha]

saddle up it's gonna be a tough year for Beyo-naysayers

[swissman]

I've still yet to see one actual receipt of this happening but ok.

[GraceRandolph]

8 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

Tiffany gave y’all a 15 minute lesson on how the music industry and its politics are ****** up, how writers are being exploited, and how they’re not able to afford a livelihood. Yet the Beyhive in here in hysterics over how Beyoncé removed Kelis from credits of a song that she was originally sampled in and calling Tiffany a “clout chasing ho”. Never change y’all 

And now they’re dragging Kelis for not being okay with her work being used without her permission.  

[Sugden]

She seems very honest

[Mirtilo]

2 minutes ago, swissman said:

*Rob Fusari

 

But that's not an example of strong-arming for a credit. In fact it's not even an example of her stealing a credit whatsoever.

What Rob took issue with was Beyoncé not mentioning who provided the Edge of Seventeen sample to her, which was him.

 

In her account she was going through potential instrumentals on a flight to Japan and stated that the Edge of Seventeen sample reminded her of a curvaceous woman, which is where she got the idea for Bootylicious.

 

When Rob companied to Matthew, Rob says Matthew basically said no one wanted to hear about him. Harsh, but not untrue and certainly not an example of anyone stealing any songwriting credit nor forcing anyone to give credit away. Whether or not Beyoncé said "I heard the sample and..." or "I heard the sample that Rob gave me and..." doesn't really make much of a difference.

 

In Rob's own words:

[Him and Beyoncé were] “talking about lyrics and concepts back and forth over the phone. ... She was out of the country at that point, but she had the ‘Bootylicious’ concept in her head. That was totally her. She knew what she wanted to say....”

 

So not only doe she say it all started from her idea, it confirms her story as well. She was travelling, listening to stuff instrumentals he put together and came up with the idea for it. No songwriting credit was "strong-armed" or even stolen.

 

 

Also, in the same interview, Fusari admitted that he was trying to plagiarize Stevie Nicks, but Mathew said no. Because of that, Stevie was properly credited, and received 50% of Bootylicious’ publishing rights. Interesting how they always “forget/ignore” this part of the interview 

[swissman]

4 minutes ago, Mirtilo said:

Also, in the same interview, Fusari admitted that he was trying to plagiarize Stevie Nicks, but Mathew said no. Because of that, Stevie was properly credited, and received 50% of Bootylicious’ publishing rights. Interesting how they always “forget/ignore” this part of the interview 

Yes! I actually had went back and added that in as a footnote to my post.

 

Whenever I see someone cite Rob as an example of Beyoncé stealing credits I know they heard it second-hand from someone else who either didn't accurately read what's been said or is embellished it because if anything the story is of Beyoncé having proper credits which he confirms, and of him trying to steal credits which Matthew stopped.

 

 

Edited February 19 by swissman

[WalkAway]

I get what she's saying, Beyonce is in a position where she doesn't need to take credit for the work she didn't do, she's filthy rich.