Robburro Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/15/2024 at 3:16 PM, pika said: Miley spent a majority of the streaming era either being mismanaged by her label/team or releasing music that wouldn’t succeed on Spotify to begin with (Dead Petz, Younger Now). Of course her daily numbers are gonna suffer when her career peak was years before any of this existed and 1 single alone won’t fix those career decisions. So for Flowers to not only curb stomp yes and, but outdo every Ariana single ever released is embarrassing. Notice how the second she doesn’t have Scooter and the goodwill of what Manchester/Mac Miller brought, she’s a very fragile artist. She already wasn’t likable as a person (donut incident) and now people are seeing it again with how she addresses cheating scandals. Hopefully that CGI vomit Wicked movie does well cause if Ariana isn’t successful, there’s nothing to like about her. i find it funny how quickly people forgot what being without Scooter during Focus/Dangerous Woman era did to her lmao 2
Papi Juancho Posted February 20 Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Robburro said: i find it funny how quickly people forgot what being without Scooter during Focus/Dangerous Woman era did to her lmao I find it funny how quickly people forgot where Miley's career was between Bangerz and Flowers (The album). 1 3 7
StarsAllAligned Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/15/2024 at 6:34 AM, Scars said: Flowers' second wind is just so impressive to see. What a classic. Well, to answer OP, Flowers is bigger than any Ariana Grande song and YA definitely won't be the one to change that. Your first spill
honestopinion Posted February 20 Posted February 20 Flowers is bigger than entire Ariana career, if Miley didn't spend 10 years with flop RCA where she wasn't even getting radio for masterpieces as midnight sky, she would've achieve more if she left them earlier but i feel like it's just a new beginning for her and she will keep grow and will get more grammys in the future. Critics and general public are loving her now, can't say about the other one. Feels like she used all her potential and keeps making immature songs 1
1989 Posted February 20 Posted February 20 As someone who is a fan of both, Flowers is a pop classic from the bigger artist.
tetrachord Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) Because flowers is more palatable, commercial and generic. It could have been sung by anyone and it would still be a hit. Not much artistry here, I fear. Yes, And? is inherently more risky, esp. with the long intro and the diff sound for Ari - plus its also trying to address a narrative. The song is very her and I don't think anyone but Ari could have pulled it off. It's a testament to her power and the hype of her return that its charting decently esp. with all the home-wrecking allegations. I feel like we would be having a different conversation if Ariana decided to drop something more obvious like 'Fantasize.' Edited February 20 by tetrachord 1 3
despy Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/15/2024 at 4:54 PM, Scars said: No, that's not the real question. The thread makes a comparison between these girls' latest lead singles. I hate to give it to this OP, which isn't even a Miley stan, but you know they've made their point when people start going off-topic. Yes, we all know that Ariana is a much bigger streaming force than Miley, which explains her having a far larger catalog of hits. I'm sure anyone who follows charts is aware of that. But at the end of the day, Miley debuted nearly two decades ago, long before Spotify, Ariana, and even the woman in your avi. She still ranks above all her ex-act peers, including Ariana, on any credible estimation for Billboard's Greatest Artists of All Time, and she's comfortably ahead in overall career sales—not just pure sales but overall consumption units—than any of them. Let's all take a moment to log out from Chartmasters and remember that it isn't a credible source for chart data. Regarding commercial viability, I don't think Miley has much left to prove, regardless of what happens from here. She already has a respectable amount of classics that have left a mark on music. She doesn’t need a second Flowers, the girls are still trying to achieve their first. clock that tea
4Real Posted February 20 Posted February 20 3 hours ago, tetrachord said: Because flowers is more palatable, commercial and generic. It could have been sung by anyone and it would still be a hit. Not much artistry here, I fear. Yes, And? is inherently more risky, esp. with the long intro and the diff sound for Ari - plus its also trying to address a narrative. The song is very her and I don't think anyone but Ari could have pulled it off. It's a testament to her power and the hype of her return that its charting decently esp. with all the home-wrecking allegations. I feel like we would be having a different conversation if Ariana decided to drop something more obvious like 'Fantasize.' The delusion 2
goverm3nth0ker Posted February 21 Posted February 21 flowers its becoming one of the biggest song this century fr
slobro Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) On 2/20/2024 at 3:28 PM, honestopinion said: Flowers is bigger than entire Ariana career, if Miley didn't spend 10 years with flop RCA where she wasn't even getting radio for masterpieces as midnight sky, she would've achieve more if she left them earlier but i feel like it's just a new beginning for her and she will keep grow and will get more grammys in the future. Critics and general public are loving her now, can't say about the other one. Feels like she used all her potential and keeps making immature songs Sure jan, that's why everything after Flowers bombed This entire thread is like comparing Cindy Lauper to Madonna. Cindy has 1-2 songs bigger than anything by Madonna, but her catalog and carreer is irrelevant besides those 1-2 songs, just like Miley. Whereas Ariana, like Madonna, has an entire catalog of global smashes, not just 1-2 songs and is far more successful overall. Edited February 21 by slobro 1 4
Jjang Posted February 21 Posted February 21 people here are gonna be so humbled when Eternal Sunshine is released. 1
corotinho Posted February 21 Author Posted February 21 1 hour ago, slobro said: Sure jan, that's why everything after Flowers bombed This entire thread is like comparing Cindy Lauper to Madonna. Cindy has 1-2 songs bigger than anything by Madonna, but her catalog and carreer is irrelevant besides those 1-2 songs, just like Miley. Whereas Ariana, like Madonna, has an entire catalog of global smashes, not just 1-2 songs and is far more successful overall. 1
honestopinion Posted February 21 Posted February 21 1 hour ago, slobro said: Sure jan, that's why everything after Flowers bombed This entire thread is like comparing Cindy Lauper to Madonna. Cindy has 1-2 songs bigger than anything by Madonna, but her catalog and carreer is irrelevant besides those 1-2 songs, just like Miley. Whereas Ariana, like Madonna, has an entire catalog of global smashes, not just 1-2 songs and is far more successful overall Let's remind you Billboard stats: Miley - 30 million albums sold in US. Homewrecker - 19 million sold in US. Miley's biggest album debut - 371k (all pure sales). Homewrecker's biggest debut - 360k. Miley is 18 years into her career and outselling and outsreaming homewrecker's comeback. Sit down and stay humble 3
wish Posted February 21 Posted February 21 10 hours ago, slobro said: Sure jan, that's why everything after Flowers bombed This entire thread is like comparing Cindy Lauper to Madonna. Cindy has 1-2 songs bigger than anything by Madonna, but her catalog and carreer is irrelevant besides those 1-2 songs, just like Miley. Whereas Ariana, like Madonna, has an entire catalog of global smashes, not just 1-2 songs and is far more successful overall. Huh? Ariana is nowhere near close to even being uttered in the same breath as Madonna. Meanwhile Miley is the one who scored smashes across a span of three decades
iammadmat Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) On 2/20/2024 at 5:24 PM, tetrachord said: Because flowers is more palatable, commercial and generic. It could have been sung by anyone and it would still be a hit. Not much artistry here, I fear. Yes, And? is inherently more risky, esp. with the long intro and the diff sound for Ari - plus its also trying to address a narrative. The song is very her and I don't think anyone but Ari could have pulled it off. It's a testament to her power and the hype of her return that its charting decently esp. with all the home-wrecking allegations. I feel like we would be having a different conversation if Ariana decided to drop something more obvious like 'Fantasize.' Ariana’s entire discography could be sung by literally anyone and still be a hit, wdym 💀 Edited February 21 by iammadmat . 1
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Jjang said: How’s Doctor doing? Better yet, let's ask how Love On is doing. 5 1
Blue Monday Posted March 1 Posted March 1 2 hours ago, Jjang said: How’s Doctor doing? We should also take a look at Temporary Summer Layover minus Flowers while we’re at it 2
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