BrandNewBrandon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, byzantium said: The fact that you can understand the nuances to the changes in the touring market but cannot comprehend the changes in the music consumption market. You can easily reach Midnights' streams and have a #1 hit. She could do that in every single English-language country but cannot do it elsewhere is not the same as touring booming in every country due to more stadiums, countries open to international tours etc. 2
Kasix Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: You can easily reach Midnights' streams and have a #1 hit. She could do that in every single English-language country but cannot do it elsewhere is not the same as touring booming in every country due to more stadiums, countries open to international tours etc. ? besides the English countries she also has #1s in India, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, all these Asian countries with like 100M+ populations which is infinitely more meaningful some tiny European country whose purpose is to host US military bases. 3
Kasix Posted February 13 Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: You can easily reach Midnights' streams and have a #1 hit. She could do that in every single English-language country but cannot do it elsewhere is not the same as touring booming in every country due to more stadiums, countries open to international tours etc. oh and you can’t “easily reach midnight’s streams”. it opened with 186M streams on Spotify which is the biggest in the world. Lady Gaga’s biggest was 60M. 3x fewer than midnights. and why is a Gaga Stan talking about touring, when 1/3 of the US leg of the Eras tour ourgrossed Gaga’s entire touring career? 5
Kasix Posted February 13 Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: @Kasix Midnights: #1 in 27 countries Born This Way: #1 in 28 countries Like, what were trying to say with those screen shots. Even Gaga's second album has more #1s than Taylor's biggest ? you’re making stuff up in your head again Gaga’s only went 23 countries. Midnights has 29. Please get help. 4
Rep2000 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 2/10/2024 at 8:51 AM, BrandNewBrandon said: It's funny how these global Spotify charts are always supposed to showcase what's popular in the world or not when even Morgan Wallen and Zach Bryan charted on the Global Spotify charts and they only had the US and Australia. Like, I'm pretty sure Taylor is global but whenever I want to get an idea of who's popular or not I visit individual charts of different countries to have a better understanding of how big a certain artist is given that you only need two big territories where you're a smash to chart on a chart like the Spotify Global chart.
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, Kasix said: oh and you can’t “easily reach midnight’s streams”. it opened with 186M streams on Spotify which is the biggest in the world. Lady Gaga’s biggest was 60M. 3x fewer than midnights. and why is a Gaga Stan talking about touring, when 1/3 of the US leg of the Eras tour ourgrossed Gaga’s entire touring career? Meant easily as in getting those streams AND a #1. Not that it's easy to do its numbers. I'm saying that she can do those numbers AND score a #1 hit on top of that but cannot do that in most countries outside of English-speaking ones. 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 23 minutes ago, Kasix said: Absolutely Untrue. Taylor has an album going #1 in 29 countries. Did Gaga have that in her peak? No. Taylor has an album selling 3.5 million copies in one week worldwide. Did Gaga got anywhere near that in her peak? No. she sold 40 million albums in one year. Lady Gaga sold 80M albums in 15 years. She has reached 110M listeners on Spotify. Gaga never cracked 70M. the list goes on and on and on. Gaga-folks should at least have the self awareness to take a bow. Taylor does not have an album go #1 in 29 countries. Midnights went to #1 in 27 which is her biggest so far. Gaga's biggest one went to #1 in 28 countries. Please provide me an album of Taylor's that went to #1 in 29 countries. And since we've talked about peaks outside of the US, you have to look at it differently. Gaga's BTW sold 800,000 copies outside of the US in its debut week, while Taylor's Midnights sold 600,000 outside of the US (1.9 vs. 2.1 million, according to Mediatraffic). Those 3.5 million you're speaking of are from what source? And does that source have BTW's first week? Because the only source that's been around for both releases as far as I know is Mediatraffic. Gaga didn't peak in the streaming era so of course she hasn't reached 110 million listeners. Gaga has broken the record for the biggest-selling album on iTunes and had the biggest first week in iTunes history. Why doesn't Taylor have that? You're comparing two peaks at two different eras in music consumption. 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 17 minutes ago, Kasix said: Gaga’s only went 23 countries. Midnights has 29. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_(album)#Charts Born This Way has 28 #1s there. WTF are you talking about with those 23. You can clearly see 28 #1s there. Like, why are you arguing with factual information?
DiscoDemolitionNight Posted February 13 Posted February 13 taylor grift another one for trash heap take it out
WildHeart Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: But 3 million people in Germany will see her live but then only 100,000 will buy her album and won't find it interesting enough to stream her to #1 on the charts. The reality : 4
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 @Kasix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights#Weekly_charts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_(album)#Charts Midnights 27 #1s Born This Way 28 #1s Like, you must be trolling.
Shaner69 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Why is this nafaciatist releasing the same album. She can't sing and it's a candy basket. Woohoo 3
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, WildHeart said: The reality : What does that have to do with anything? No one is saying she isn't huge in Germany. But those three million germans have not made her go #1 on the singles chart.
WildHeart Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: What does that have to do with anything? No one is saying she isn't huge in Germany. But you just did 3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: 3 million people in Germany will see her live but won't find it interesting enough to stream her to #1 on the charts. Millions of people find her interesting enough to make her the most streamed artist in the country on daily and weekly basis, even above massive local acts. 8 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: @Kasix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights#Weekly_charts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_(album)#Charts Midnights 27 #1s Born This Way 28 #1s Like, you must be trolling. The countries BTW went #1 but Midnights didn't Croatia Hungary Mexico (chart doesn't exist anymore) Russia (chart doesn't exist anymore) Japan Uruguay (chart doesn't exist anymore) Congrats 1
Kasix Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 41 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: @Kasix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights#Weekly_charts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_(album)#Charts Midnights 27 #1s Born This Way 28 #1s Like, you must be trolling. You are missing the Uruguayan chart on the right for Midnights and that year-end #1 on the Australian charts, You dumdum Also, midnights being much stronger year-end (#2 in the US, UK, Netherlands and Canada, #3 in Austria & new zealand and and #4 in Germany) Means it was smashing way past initial launch, unlike most of the international albums that were just big the first weeks. Midnights was also IFPI year-end #2 despite released in MID October, while BTW was IFPI #3 while released in May —— meaning midnights was a better seller globally with only 3 months of selling, than Gaga’s biggest album with 7 months of selling. Edited February 13 by Kasix 1
Kasix Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Meant easily as in getting those streams AND a #1. Not that it's easy to do its numbers. I'm saying that she can do those numbers AND score a #1 hit on top of that but cannot do that in most countries outside of English-speaking ones. LOL more of this made up fantasy? Taylor has #1s in India, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, all these countries with 100M+ populations that Gaga NEVER had, which is way more meaningful than some yying US colonies with a 60M populations deal with it. Edited February 13 by Kasix 2
byzantium Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, BrandNewBrandon said: You can easily reach Midnights' streams and have a #1 hit. She could do that in every single English-language country but cannot do it elsewhere is not the same as touring booming in every country due to more stadiums, countries open to international tours etc. the way you switched the conversation real quick when you realized you were wrong. 2 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 20 hours ago, Kasix said: You are missing the Uruguayan chart on the right for Midnights and that year-end #1 on the Australian charts, You dumdum Also, midnights being much stronger year-end (#2 in the US, UK, Netherlands and Canada, #3 in Austria & new zealand and and #4 in Germany) Means it was smashing way past initial launch, unlike most of the international albums that were just big the first weeks. Midnights was also IFPI year-end #2 despite released in MID October, while BTW was IFPI #3 while released in May —— meaning midnights was a better seller globally with only 3 months of selling, than Gaga’s biggest album with 7 months of selling. Why are you counting year-end charts? Nobody does that. But that just means The Fame went to #1 in about 25 countries, by your logic 20 hours ago, Kasix said: Taylor has #1s in India, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, all these countries with 100M+ populations that Gaga NEVER had, which is way more meaningful than some yying US colonies with a 60M populations You're talking about Spotify charts since official singles charts and album charts from the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and India didn't launch until 2020 and there are still no official charts from Vietnam. And since Spotify wasn't relevant when Gaga had her peak how tf did you want her to chart there? She charted at #1 in 2020 in Malaysia though, so take that L. Like, neither Spotify or charts for all of those countries were available in 2010 so you're clearly grasping at straws. Edited February 13 by BrandNewBrandon 1
Kasix Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Why are you counting year-end charts? Nobody does that. But that just means The Fame went to #1 in about 25 countries, by your logic Uguary chart on the right is the monthly chart do you need glasses? 45 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: You're talking about Spotify charts since official singles charts and album charts from the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and India didn't launch until 2020 and there are still no official charts from Vietnam. Taylor has #1 singles in the official charts all those countries stop making up anymore dreams in your head, for gods sake She even has a #1 single in India - a country with a population of 1.3 billion people, 20x of “muh GeRmanY” https://imicharts.com/week-43-2023/ Get with the times, fad stan Edited February 14 by Kasix 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kasix said: Taylor has #1 singles in the official charts all those countries Where did I say she doesn't? I said those charts weren't launched until 2020 so when Gaga was peaking from 2009-11 those charts were not around. So therefore your comparison doesn't make sense. Edited February 14 by BrandNewBrandon
Kasix Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Where did I say she doesn't? 16 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: You're talking about ySpotify charts I not saying you said Taylor didn’t have the #1s in those countries. I’m correcting your daydream 2 comments ago that I was somehow talking about Spotify charts. how about you stop daydreaming what other people are actually saying?
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kasix said: I not saying you said Taylor didn’t have the #1s in those countries. I meant in regards to Gaga. You're saying Gaga has never had #1s there. Official charts weren't around until 2020 and neither was Spotify in 2010 so the source you were drawing back to is not relevant to this discussion. Edited February 14 by BrandNewBrandon
Kasix Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 36 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: when Gaga was peaking from 2009-11 those charts were not around. So therefore your comparison doesn't make sense. Except it does? It is part of an artist’s ability to maintain their careers. Her and her fans can’t complain about not living to the ages of iPhone and streaming or how newer charts have come out since she has flopped. it is her own failings and inability to make it till this moment in time. gaga has zero #1 singles in India. Taylor has a #1 and #3. It could even be said that Taylor has reached a wider audience from India alone than Gaga had globally, since India has 2x the population of Europe. Deal with it. Edited February 14 by Kasix
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kasix said: gaga has zero #1 singles in India. Taylor has a #1 and #3. It could even be said that Taylor has reached a wider audience from India alone than Gaga had globally, since India has 2x the population of Europe. Foreign music didn't start to become famous in India in 2020. It was popular in 2010 as well. So you don't know how many songs Gaga would've had at #1 in India had there been an official chart in 2010. I'll repeat because you still don't get it: this entire discussion is about PEAKS and not overall career. Yes, Gaga has lost her popularity since 2010 but back then she had a bigger peak than Taylor is having now. I'm not saying Taylor isn't bigger now and that she won't be bigger overall, I'm saying that Gaga's peak in 2010 is bigger than Taylor's peak now. Gaga had #1 hits in every market pretty much during 2009-11. Every single one. Taylor does not. Lady Gaga's peak album is Diamond in multiple territories while none of Taylor's albums are outside of the US. And we've been talking outside of the US this whole time as well. Edited February 14 by BrandNewBrandon
Kasix Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: I'll repeat because you still don't get it: this entire discussion is about PEAKS and not overall career. Yes, Gaga has lost her popularity since 2010 but back then she had a bigger peak than Taylor is having now. Oopsie. I am very much talking about Peaks, not longevity. Taylor’s peak is right now, 2022 - _____ . It is right now during her peak that she grabbed a #1 & #3 single in a country with 1.3 billion people; which means Taylor’s songs have went through hell lot more ears than Gaga since she only went #1 in some dot sized country in Europe. Taylor has a bigger peak. Wilder audience. More heard. Deal with it. Edited February 14 by Kasix 1
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