MatiRod Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Quote Conversations N Commotion We're overdosing I'm angry but I still love you I still love I still love I still love I still love I still lo-o-ove
wastedpotential Posted February 6 Posted February 6 53 minutes ago, Achilles. said: The younger stars just don’t have the cross-generational appeal that a lot of the girls who debuted in the 2000s did, and often still do. Like. Adults could listen to Beyoncé and Shakira in their prime; plenty of moms were listening to yeehaw Taylor with their kids and teens. But hardly anybody over 35 is listening to Doja Cat or wants to read headlines about Olivia Rodrigo. Billie at least has a bit of “real music” credibility that gives her a slight edge over the others here. I think this has also afflicted the ex-acts, though Miley has finally overcome it and Selena’s time on Only Murders is helping her a bit too. I’m not sure Ariana has ever really managed to appeal to the generations above millennial. It is also detrimental to the younger acts that plenty of the veteran artists are still in top form creatively. There is less of a gap to fill if the established names are still driving the conversation, producing hits, dropping smash albums, adding chapters to their already storied careers that feel current and essential to their catalogs. Part of the reason why a whole generation of pop girls broke through in the late 2000s is because, for various reasons, there was room for them. Janet was cast out for Nipplegate. Madonna never fully recovered from American Life. Whitney and Celine both fell off hard (singles wise, at least) after the turn of the century. By the time we got Gaga and Kesha and the lot, even Britney and Xtina were trending downwards. Shania retired. Mariah struggled through the first few years of the century before smashing with Emancipation in her 15th year; that may be the closest comparison to what Taylor and Beyoncé are today. Except every album they release is an Emancipation rather than a Glitter. All of this is pretty excellent analysis, and a bit of further proof is that the best year for the newer pop girls this decade has probably been 2021 (with Doja, Dua, and Olivia netting smashes and Billie delivering a successful, cult classic album), and that was a year where Taylor was putting out re-recordings (before she figured out they could be successful), Ariana wrapped her era up by February and Adele didn't start hers until late October, and there weren't... any other pop girls to compete. In the vacuum environment, of course songs like Good 4 U and Kiss Me More and Levitating are going to rise to the top because there wasn't any competition. It's just a shame for their career trajectories that Taylor and Beyonce came back big in 2022 and haven't really left, and then people like Shakira, Miley, and SZA (who kinda falls between the two but who I definitely would choose to group closer to the former than the latter) all had very strong 2023's, leaving not a whole lot of space for anyone else. Doja sneaking in PTTR in 2023 was pretty surprising, all things considered, because Vampire wasn't huge (and won't be remembered in 5 years like the SOUR hits will be), and the Barbie songs didn't exactly permeate beyond a specific demographic/internet barrier (For instance, my relatively well informed parents hadn't heard either until watching the Grammys last night). I think that any dire warnings of pop music dying are way overblown (though it's very true that we'll only ever see smaller-caliber superstars because of the destruction of traditional media and the monoculture), because people need something to stream, the tabloids need something to write, and the radio needs something to spin, and in the absence of people like Taylor or Beyonce, they'll find something. It just won't be nearly as culturally omnipresent. 1
LOTF Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Taylor is still in the first half of her 30s, she isn't gonna face any ageism The whole point of ageism is not letting women do certain things or act a certain way after a certain age. Taylor will never ruffle the feathers of the status quo so I don't see her facing ageism in her 40s and beyond. As for the younger girls, maybe when the kids that are their main demographic reach their 20s or 30s, they'd have a bigger reach. And it's not like their most recent eras are actual flops. They'll be fine
Cyanide Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) I honestly think the US music market needs to take some notes from Korea at this point.. In terms of artist development, concepts, promotion, and fan interaction People come up these days because of popularity on social media, not because they actually have what it takes to be a REAL LIFE celebrity with a career that LASTS. Labels need to be investing in people who are TOP talent and charismatic… artists are weird, enigmatic, and a lot of the biggest and most iconic artists of the 20th century would probably be unknown today because they wouldn't make silly tik tok dances to their two-minute songs. In my mind, UMG taking their catalogue off of Tik tok is kind of a step in the right direction, hopefully some regular promotion will come back and they’ll invest the effort into things people will actually remember. Also this might be a little harsh but overall the girls of the current era aren’t as visually stunning as the ones from the 90s and 2000s. Where are the HOT cunty mamas???! Edited February 6 by Cyanide 1
glacier76 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 I only care about Dua of this group, and she will be fine. It’s only the US Dua may have a problem maintaining momentum, but whatevs. I actually think Dua is really asserting herself as a relevant and stable touring force. 1
RebelMe Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) Pop is dead. That's why more and more we see music from 80s to the 2000s climbing up the charts and becoming more relevant than anything that comes out today. Edited February 6 by RebelMe 1
Into The Void Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Because when u have a huge debut its impossible to reach that again. And ur over reacting lol
Anomaly Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Generations don’t typically make their own culture; the generation prior does. Meaning the popular singers, actors, celebs of millennials were typically gen x’ers, the popular celebs of gen x’ers were typically boomers, and so one. The popular celebs of gen z are going to typically be millennials like Taylor as opposed to fellow gen z’ers like Billie and Olivia. They got a head start because of social media tbh, so they bucked the trend and became really popular household names earlier than normal. That is unsustainable in the long run though. For gen z stars to flourish in the long run they will need more gen alpha members to grow up which will take a few more years. 1
sweetkiss Posted February 6 Posted February 6 i think your statements are semi-true, but you are wrong on one thing. you are making their 'just there' eras sound like it's an exception. every single pop artist has their peak, and some other eras are 'just there,' but still fun for their fans. Celine dion, who has more than one album in the most sold albums of all time, has her peak (my heart will go on). that does not mean her other eras are not note worthy. i think what you are seeing is different trend and thats because new year new trend. when olivia and billie peaked what was 'in' was songwriting, not maxxx looks. i think britney is the queen of maxxx looks era.
sweetkiss Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 hours ago, skizzo said: What? If anything "Stripped" cemented her status as a young icon. girl thats her forth album, lmao
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