AvadaKedavra Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Billie and Olivia transitioned from massive eras with CULTURAL RELEVANCE (wwafawdwg/sour) to eras that are now considered "just there" (guts/happier than ever)? They were unable to replicate the success of their first eras, lacking the strong impact and Smash Hits they once had???? There is notably less media frenzy and general public excitement surrounding their last eras, accompanied by some instances of backlash.... Comparatively, their YouTube views and chart positions are noticeably mid-low in contrast to their initial successes. These eras cannot be classified as sophomore slumps, as they still achieved some solid milestones but are perceived as underperformances??? Were our expectations not met? The positive aspect of these eras lies in how they showcased artistic growth. Props to them for that However, the question arises: is artistic development sufficient to sustain them in the long run? in the eye of the GP? Im talking about the mainstream one road. Is it time for them to reinvent themselves? Did Olivia and Billie play it "too safe" with their second albums? Do we need more maximalism from them? more controversy? drama-circus? crazyness? So, they take over everyone else? What are your thoughts hennie? Doja Cat, riding the hype train from her powerful album "Planet Her," made a risky move with "SCARLET." Despite the album featuring hits like Paint The Town Red , it faced challenges in terms of sales. The album's positions globally are very disappointing compared to her previous era. The certifications rare. Everything went bad Check wikipedia for stats Despite Doja Cat's attempt to focus on "music over charts" and showcasing her "authentic self" "art", the album did not secure any Grammy awards Lol. The lack of recognition prompts the question: Was Scarlet a bad career decision? Considering these factors, some may argue that it could be time for Doja to revert to her Pop style. Should she consider returning to the Pop genre to revive her commercial success and goodwill? Dua Lipa, the reigning queen of the 2020s with her addictive future nostalgia disco music,captured the essence of the era with hits like "Dance the Night Too." However, a downturn occurred with the release of "Houdini," as predicted by some due to its producer's association with "Perfect Illusion." one of Gaga worst songs ever Fans are also expressing concern about the album's psychedelic-kaleidoscope theme, fearing it might not be "commercial enough." "too weird" Adding to the challenges, her movie "Argylle" is deemed a massive bomb Why are not the stars aligned for Dua this time? In light of these setbacks, there is anticipation for Dua to salvage-rescue this era with "Training Season." Where is "Training Season," and why is it taking so long? Her team fu**up??? The song is hot. Hope it turns into a Hit!!! Is Dua Lipa in troublesome territory sistrens???? Then we have a geriatric popstar from the 2000s decade stomping on everyone. Even with the the curse of ageism This popstar is demolishining everyone right and left She leading all the Conversations N Commotion in Northamerica and sometimes the World Gen Z is even more interested about her than all the newcomers. Is not that weird? Cause every decade the newcomers singers win all over the old popstars. We went from Madonna To Mariah to Britney To Gaga......But something happened The old popstar took over all the new faces. And there are also some popstars from the Primal times of 90s-2000s who are experiencing significant cultural comebacks today. Surprisingly, they are generating more buzz and excitement-commentary than some of our newer talents. Anyone here worried about the new popstars/Gen Z Popstars? How they've had trouble maintaining their longevity and are losing public attention? To the point that past popstars are overshadowing them? I believe these four new popstars are the future, and I want them to succeed, but I'm concerned they might not find the right way to do it. They could be successful in the underground scene like LANA DEL REY, and that's great, but there are certain things that being in the spotlight on the global stage provides. The big tours. the big videos. the big promo. the Cultural talk. Should we be more supportive of our young Popstars this year? Are you ready to Stream their music more? Olivia guts expanded edition? Dua Training season? Doja next alberm? Billie upcoming rock record?
shookspeare Posted February 5 Posted February 5 not gonna read all that but they're all boring. Olivia has a spark here and there but she isn't consistent. billie can only write so many funeral dirges, and the suicidal teens are growing up 2 1 5
AvadaKedavra Posted February 5 Author Posted February 5 (edited) Oh yes it was too much text. I was thinkin about leaving this thread as a draft cause it was too long but sometimes we have our visual projects-gargantuan projects our lemonades lol To summarize Im worried how the new pop chanteuses are struggling to keep up sistrens All of them are not gettin as big as i thought i thought they would have new imperial phases by now. and if theyre done and flop we are in the hands of Tate Mcrae-Sabrina Carpenter-Chappel Ronan-Rene Rapp and Tyla to save Pop Music Edited February 5 by AvadaKedavra 1 1
Bosque Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) It’s very common for pop stars to peak in one era and then not reach that level again. Billie Eilish will do best I think since her music and voice have a very timeless quality (she’s also sweeping every award right now for WWIMF which was also a big commercial hit). Olivia leaned into bratty pop a lot which is… definitely risky. Dua released a very poor lead single (just like Ariana) so their floppage is expected Billie, Olivia and Dua all had their imperial phases, if they don’t deliver someone new will come to take their place Edited February 5 by Dephira 3
jonapova Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Why didn’t you write anything about Jesy Nelson Mandela? 1
Cain Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, AvadaKedavra said: Oh yes it was too much text. I was thinkin about leaving this thread as a draft but sometimes we have our visual projects-gargantuan projects our lemonades To summarize Im worried how the new pop chanteuses are struggling to keep up sistrens All of them are not gettin as big as i thought i thought they would have some imperial phases by now. This always happens though and then people talk about popgirls’ imperial phases in hindsight. Like I’m sorry but everyone was clowning Katy during TD for having ‘mediocre album sales’, everyone was clowning Rih back in the 2010s for ‘having to release every year or else she would be forgotten’. Gaga was called over after 2013. Bey during 4. These exact same ‘concern’ threads have been made about people we now say were the biggest artists alive during their peak We will look back at WWAFA, SOUR, FN and PH with rosecolored glasses during the next generation and wonder why the Gen Alpha popgirls can’t keep up 2 2
Strawberry Bubble Posted February 5 Posted February 5 11 minutes ago, Cain said: This always happens though and then people talk about popgirls’ imperial phases in hindsight. Like I’m sorry but everyone was clowning Katy during TD for having ‘mediocre album sales’, everyone was clowning Rih back in the 2010s for ‘having to release every year or else she would be forgotten’. Gaga was called over after 2013. Bey during 4. These exact same ‘concern’ threads have been made about people we now say were the biggest artists alive during their peak We will look back at WWAFA, SOUR, FN and PH with rosecolored glasses during the next generation and wonder why the Gen Alpha popgirls can’t keep up I agree with you to some extent. But it is true that pop stars' peak eras are becoming smaller as time passes; you can't compare Teenage Dream or The Fame Monster to any Gen Z peak era, because the peaks of the 2010s were humongous.
AvadaKedavra Posted February 5 Author Posted February 5 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Cain said: This always happens though and then people talk about popgirls’ imperial phases in hindsight. Like I’m sorry but everyone was clowning Katy during TD for having ‘mediocre album sales’, everyone was clowning Rih back in the 2010s for ‘having to release every year or else she would be forgotten’. Gaga was called over after 2013. Bey during 4. These exact same ‘concern’ threads have been made about people we now say were the biggest artists alive during their peak We will look back at WWAFA, SOUR, FN and PH with rosecolored glasses during the next generation and wonder why the Gen Alpha popgirls can’t keep up Oh sorry sis if it looked ill intended. Honestly i want Dua to smash this era. I have all my hopes and coinz in Training People compare Dua Lipa to Katy but Dua Lipa has always served more maturity and adulthood and that helps a lot. Thats the problem with katy. Too much cutesy. too overly sweet and cartoony. Dua is also from Europe where the GP is supportive. If America dumps her. She has Europe and the rest of the planet?????? If Dua flops in this era she could have a good comeback with Djs' House Music and party music. She has that advantage. She could take so many routes. She could even go back to her first record sound and we had hits on there. Maybe we are gettin worried too fast Thanks. I appreciate your feedback and everyone here Edited February 5 by AvadaKedavra
Strawberry Bubble Posted February 5 Posted February 5 The music landscape is changing. I believe we should start getting used to ordinary icons because the music scene is weakening as time passes. The once-gigantic megastars are essentially disappearing. 1
Revolution Posted February 5 Posted February 5 These new girls are just not as big celebrities as Beyonce, Taylor, Gaga, Katy, Adele, Rihanna, Shakira, the ex-acts. Idk why. Death of monoculture I guess. 1 1
helpthomas Posted February 5 Posted February 5 fyi doja released scarlet after the eligibility date closed
Mike91 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, Revolution said: These new girls are just not as big celebrities as Beyonce, Taylor, Gaga, Katy, Adele, Rihanna, Shakira, the ex-acts. Idk why. Death of monoculture I guess. This is absolutely it. Most of those people became household names in the previous era so there's a sense of "comfort" with them as established acts in an age where it's harder than ever to breakthrough and sustain success even if you do. Most of the newer acts are either unknown to most of the public or known but they wouldn't go out of their way to listen to their music. It's not surprising that the most relevant artists are the ones who built their fanbase in the previous decade(s) when more people were paying attention. Even with someone like Taylor, people outside of her fanbase heard more about her through the NFL. People only check for what they like now and if you're not already established, good luck trying to have a long, profitable career in music. 1
Dante Silva Posted February 5 Posted February 5 There wasn’t enough variety on Olivia’s “GUTS”, it felt like a weaker, less inspired version of “Sour” (at least to me). 1
Cain Posted February 6 Posted February 6 25 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: Oh sorry sis if it looked ill intended. Honestly i want Dua to smash this era. I have all my hopes and coinz in Training People compare Dua Lipa to Katy but Dua Lipa has always served more maturity and adulthood and that helps a lot. Thats the problem with katy. Too much cutesy. too overly sweet and cartoony. Dua is also from Europe where the GP is supportive. If America dumps her. She has Europe and the rest of the planet?????? If Dua flops in this era she could have a good comeback with Djs' House Music and party music. She has that advantage. She could take so many routes. She could even go back to her first record sound and we had hits on there. Maybe we are gettin worried too fast Thanks. I appreciate your feedback and everyone here It’s rumored that Dua will headline Glastonbury this year and if that happens she will only be the fifth female artist to ever headline the festival. Dua will always have Europe (where Houdini is a hit rn) and she’s gearing up to become a major touring act, she’ll be fine 1
nadiamendell Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Taylor is the only one that gets any media attention these days. Her PR team HAS to be working 24/7. It's insane. 1
AvadaKedavra Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, Dante Silva said: There wasn’t enough variety on Olivia’s “GUTS”, it felt like a weaker, less inspired version of “Sour” (at least to me). I think she tried to not alienate her fanbase honestly the concept of reinvention is scary. A bad step and you *** your career Xtina reinvented her career in her second era and it went really bad. Ava did it and things didnt went great. Like she spilled she was in a weird time between adulthood and teenhood. I think the next era will be very different Hope Olivia lives her life to the maxxx. So we get the bext experiences. I just would like for her to branch out more 1
AvadaKedavra Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, Cheers said: What is this picture
skizzo Posted February 6 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: Xtina reinvented her career in her second era and it went really bad. What? If anything "Stripped" cemented her status as a young icon. 1
wish Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Not worried about Billie in the slightest, she has carved her own lane with her sound and aesthetic. WWIMF showed us that she is still capable of global acclaimed hits. Once she releases some poppier material, she will easily take over with the GP crowd who loved Bad Guy and Therefore I Am etc. I guess I'm a bit concerned about the pop girls only managing 1 hit per era lately and failing to snatch big album streams. There are many potential factors for this underperformance from our Gen Z girls, from the death of monoculture to Taylor taking up extra market share in the last 2 years.
AvadaKedavra Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, skizzo said: What? If anything "Stripped" cemented her status as a young icon. It is. It's timeless. One of the best pop eras all time. Cult album But at the time, the era received a lot of backlash,??????? Because of how sexual and wild it was compared to her innocent self??? If I'm not mistaken, for that reason, many songs from the record weren't as big as they should have been and the critics slaughtered the record
Achilles. Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) The younger stars just don’t have the cross-generational appeal that a lot of the girls who debuted in the 2000s did, and often still do. Like. Adults could listen to Beyoncé and Shakira in their prime; plenty of moms were listening to yeehaw Taylor with their kids and teens. But hardly anybody over 35 is listening to Doja Cat or wants to read headlines about Olivia Rodrigo. Billie at least has a bit of “real music” credibility that gives her a slight edge over the others here. I think this has also afflicted the ex-acts, though Miley has finally overcome it and Selena’s time on Only Murders is helping her a bit too. I’m not sure Ariana has ever really managed to appeal to the generations above millennial. It is also detrimental to the younger acts that plenty of the veteran artists are still in top form creatively. There is less of a gap to fill if the established names are still driving the conversation, producing hits, dropping smash albums, adding chapters to their already storied careers that feel current and essential to their catalogs. Part of the reason why a whole generation of pop girls broke through in the late 2000s is because, for various reasons, there was room for them. Janet was cast out for Nipplegate. Madonna never fully recovered from American Life. Whitney and Celine both fell off hard (singles wise, at least) after the turn of the century. By the time we got Gaga and Kesha and the lot, even Britney and Xtina were trending downwards. Shania retired. Mariah struggled through the first few years of the century before smashing with Emancipation in her 15th year; that may be the closest comparison to what Taylor and Beyoncé are today. Except every album they release is an Emancipation rather than a Glitter. Edited February 6 by Achilles. 2
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