HeavyMetalAura Posted January 30 Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said: But at the same time I would argue that within the gay community, the ones going on these cruises are predominantly very white and very privileged. IMO circuit parties are just raves but gay and with a dark room. If anything it’s rave culture. Being able to afford a cruise and being white doesn’t equal 360, all-around privilege, though. Privilege is more than just money and skin color, so this does not negate my point. These gay men still suffer from oppression. Due to their sexuality, they may be more likely to suffer from low self-esteem, trauma, ostracized from their families, sexual abuse, etc which can lead to drug use. They may also find themselves sharing common spaces with the less privileged gay people who can’t afford cruises, who are at an even higher increased risk of drug abuse, which may led them to use drugs more. We need to hold nuance for these things. 5 2
KatyPrismSpirit Posted January 30 Posted January 30 People should stop going to these types of events where fatal drug use is normalized and often celebrated. And that company needs to be held accountable. How do you allow drugs, especially fentanyl, on a ship?
Wonderland Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, Redstreak said: I’m tired of pretending issues affect communities equally. I’d say your downplaying is far more egregious Saying the solution is for gay people to “grow up” is far more egregious than anything I’ve said so save your pearl clutching. The real way we move forward and save lives is through education and harm reduction measures such as pill testing. Edited January 30 by Wonderland 2
Redstreak Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Wonderland said: Saying the solution is for gay people to “grow up” is far more egregious than anything I’ve said so save your pearl clutching. The real way we move forward and save lives is through education and harm reduction measures such as pill testing. I feel like you have to be pretty far gone to take looking at the drug problem in our community as pearl clutching. Hard drugs are still hard drugs even when tested Edited January 30 by Redstreak
Afterglow Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Goaty said: As someone who went on one of these cruises last year, it’s extremely easy. I had several friends bring all kinds of things (weed, poppers, ecstasy) and none of them encountered any resistance. Howd they bring weed on? The smell alone would make me too nervous to even try. Maybe a vape. 1
Goaty Posted January 30 Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, Afterglow said: Howd they bring weed on? The smell alone would make me too nervous to even try. Maybe a vape. Edibles. I didn’t see anybody try to smoke it
Triton Posted January 30 Posted January 30 8 minutes ago, Afterglow said: Howd they bring weed on? The smell alone would make me too nervous to even try. Maybe a vape. Girl, gays will stick anything up their asses. Especially these circuit queens who want 100 loads during the cruise. They probably walk in with a huge dildo full of drugs. Sure the cruise should take more steps, they’re obviously not going to screen everybody’s *******. 3
suneclipse121 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Just a Gay on ATRL said: I feel like a conversation needs to be had in the LGBT community about excessive drug use and not needing every gay-specific space to have the goal of pushing your body to its absolute limits of tolerance in order to have fun. Also yes sadly more and more stuff seems to be getting laced with fentanyl. The straight community is not removed from this issue either, but I do feel like excessive drug use and putting your body through hell for the sake of going out is particularly normalized in spaces meant for queer entertainment like gay bars, gay cruises, etc. This is so real!! Ever since I have met my boyfriend who goes out way way more than me I have been exposed to so much drugs (coke especially) and the overwhelming pressure to get drunk. I shut all of those pressures down immediately but it is very sad. I could totally see someone without that headspace getting consumed by that lifestyle.
harwee Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) oh my. unfortunately a lot of gays go because a lot of what goes on there is part of the attraction but if fatalities keeps happening, def time the company be held liable Edited January 30 by harwee
Zefierce Posted January 30 Posted January 30 26 minutes ago, harwee said: oh my. unfortunately a lot of gays go because a lot of what goes on there is part of the attraction but if fatalities keeps happening, def time the company be held liable This situation is the cruise company's fault.... how? 1
harwee Posted January 31 Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, Zefierce said: This situation is the cruise company's fault.... how? Not necessarily fault, but from a moral standpoint, I think its just basic ethics to create a safe environment if you're a customer, especially if it keeps happening.
Zefierce Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, harwee said: Not necessarily fault, but from a moral standpoint, I think its just basic ethics to create a safe environment if you're a customer, especially if it keeps happening. They have created a safe environment for customers. If 1 person out of 5,200 on the ship wants to deviate from that safe environment, break the company's "no illegal drug" policy, and engage in illegal substances that were snuck onto the ship), and then die because of it, then that's on them. I don't see what else the company can do other than spend like 15 min searching every square inch of each person's suitcase and giving them full body exam (including rectal) which isn't going to happen. At some point personal responsibility has to be the priority. 1
Joyride Posted January 31 Posted January 31 25 minutes ago, harwee said: Not necessarily fault, but from a moral standpoint, I think its just basic ethics to create a safe environment if you're a customer, especially if it keeps happening. that's why I think drugs are being mentioned. I don't think allegedly having two deaths on a cruise can be controlled unless you scan every customer and get an honest declaration of their belongings. people get in these situations having no clue and drugs are easily sold and traded within these circles, it's very common.
Goaty Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Redstreak said: I feel like you have to be pretty far gone to take looking at the drug problem in our community as pearl clutching. Hard drugs are still hard drugs even when tested And the solution to heavy drug use, regardless of community, is always education, testing, and destigmatization. I don't know what exactly you mean by the community "growing up," but unless it involves that kind of aforementioned solution, it isn't going to work.
Lyrica Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 1/31/2024 at 2:54 AM, Goaty said: And the solution to heavy drug use, regardless of community, is always education, testing, and destigmatization. I don't know what exactly you mean by the community "growing up," but unless it involves that kind of aforementioned solution, it isn't going to work. destigmatization always means normalizing. We don't want to normalize drug use
Goaty Posted February 1 Posted February 1 2 hours ago, Lyrica said: destigmatization always means normalizing. We don't want to normalize drug use It’s already normalized in the gay community at least if we educate people we’ll have fewer deaths and greater access to getting help/treatment 2
XVIIII Posted February 1 Posted February 1 There were a lot of Chicago gays on this specific cruise. I had an old coworker posting all over Snapchat while on it and one of my friends knew one of the men who died.All around tragic but absolutely preventable.
Cheers Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Are these cruises even.. fun? Like do they do anything other than sex and drugs? Any excursions?
HonourableVomit Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 1/31/2024 at 9:51 AM, Redstreak said: I feel like you have to be pretty far gone to take looking at the drug problem in our community as pearl clutching. Hard drugs are still hard drugs even when tested The pearl clutching part is blaming this man for dying when he didn't consciously take fentanyl. He is a victim of the government's war on drugs and poisonous black market tactics.
東京. Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 1/30/2024 at 8:01 PM, 50thStateofMind said: scary, I know many people who went on that cruise... be careful people, test your stuff and don't take anything from strangers Or here’s a more genius idea - don’t do drugs. 1
Kern Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 1/31/2024 at 12:12 AM, suneclipse121 said: This is so real!! Ever since I have met my boyfriend who goes out way way more than me I have been exposed to so much drugs (coke especially) and the overwhelming pressure to get drunk. I shut all of those pressures down immediately but it is very sad. I could totally see someone without that headspace getting consumed by that lifestyle. It really is real. I lost pretty much all of my gay friends to drugs and alcohol. I mean, they're not dead, I just don't talk to them because they're never sober
Zefierce Posted February 2 Posted February 2 6 hours ago, 東京. said: Or here’s a more genius idea - don’t do drugs. Like seriously. People making every excuse in the book to continue doing drugs they could just avoid it completely and not harm their health and risk poisoning themselves to death.
Breathe On Moi Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 1/30/2024 at 6:07 PM, Triton said: Girl, gays will stick anything up their asses. Especially these circuit queens who want 100 loads during the cruise. They probably walk in with a huge dildo full of drugs. Sure the cruise should take more steps, they’re obviously not going to screen everybody’s *******.
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