applestar Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Young men are nuts. they have nothing to complain about. Why don't they start wearing toupees/getting hair transplants, receiving plastic surgery, and doing skincare like women? the average straight man is un****able Korea is a great example, you have these princely kdrama men on screen and then hellish incels playing PUBG irl. i wouldnt date them either. US/the west is following this + they murder people 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 People want to blame Elon musk, Andrew Tate etc. the meetionmovement was hijacked by men hating feminist and started hashtags like #believe all women. Then when some men including celebrity men like terry crews revealed they were sexually harassed/assaulted even victims of domestic abuse they got laughed at or ignored. Apparently #metoo is only for women. Men don’t have support groups like women in the real word regarding mental help or support groups in general. Progressives continue to ignore issues that men are facing today at education level, work opportunity, father hood, bullying issues, marriage etc. Meanwhile guys are still suppose to be men and just suck it up. Who cares about men etc. men have been crying for help for that past 4 or 5 years now. It’s like Melanie king, Scott Galloway, James sexton, and Richard reeves have all said. Nobody cares about men issues and only conservatives had actually said anything or began to talk about it. You guys wonder why? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, applestar said: Young men are nuts. they have nothing to complain about. Why don't they start wearing toupees/getting hair transplants, receiving plastic surgery, and doing skincare like women? the average straight man is un****able Korea is a great example, you have these princely kdrama men on screen and then hellish incels playing PUBG irl. i wouldnt date them either. US/the west is following this + they murder people What an ignorant comment. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 51 minutes ago, Rep2000 said: Exactly. Twitter is even the worst case, since out of nowhere I got recommended rightwing commentors when all I interact all days are swifties' contents, no matter how much I choose to block Andrew Tate and the likes. Rightwing political contents are now the norms to be recommended on that site, for sure. That’s cause of Elon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, HeavyMetalAura said: I mean just look at how many people - mainly young men - idolize Andrew Tate, Kanye West, Elon Musk, and Ben Shapiro. Men can literally be Nazi-sympathizers and human traffickers and still have careers held up by young men. Look at this very websites the past few days. Young gay men on here continue to support Nicki Minaj who - despite being a woman - continues to advocate for violence against women and uplifts male sex abusers. Years ago, these figures’ careers would be over. Now, they still receive support. Young men genuinely terrify me these days. It’s shocking and scary what has become acceptable these days. All the progress we’ve made seems to be reversing itself before our very eyes. Young men are seeking those guys because there is no positive male role models on the media for young men too look up too. Majority of those guys who look up too Andrew Tate, Elon musk etc. are all 90% of the time fatherless and growing up in a single mother household. If you dig deep in those people majority are all part of the same group of people. There been studies on this already. Every era there is always backlash based on events from previous eras. Men tend too be more naturally conservative and women are often naturally more liberal which has always been the case since day 1 of human history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: People want to blame Elon musk, Andrew Tate etc. the meetionmovement was hijacked by men hating feminist and started hashtags like #believe all women. Then when some men including celebrity men like terry crews revealed they were sexually harassed/assaulted even victims of domestic abuse they got laughed at or ignored. Apparently #metoo is only for women. Men don’t have support groups like women in the real word regarding mental help or support groups in general. Progressives continue to ignore issues that men are facing today at education level, work opportunity, father hood, bullying issues, marriage etc. Meanwhile guys are still suppose to be men and just suck it up. Who cares about men etc. men have been crying for help for that past 4 or 5 years now. It’s like Melanie king, Scott Galloway, James sexton, and Richard reeves have all said. Nobody cares about men issues and only conservatives had actually said anything or began to talk about it. You guys wonder why? Finally someone who made sense on this topic That’s the main reason why most men are conservative, they are the only one listening. #Believe all women(even when evidence says otherwise) was one of the worst abominations I’ve ever seen in modern history And this is from the side that takes pride on critical thinking 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domination Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Are we surprised? The culture sucks right now and in this one regard Jordan Peterson is correct. The neo-liberal media landscape of the past 10-15 years or so has basically siloed men into alt-right spaces on the internet regardless of their background because any media that previously catered to men’s interests was deemed dangerous and regressive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Data like this makes me very concerned for young women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: celebrity men like terry crews revealed they were sexually harassed/assaulted even victims of domestic abuse they got laughed at or ignored. 39 minutes ago, Trent W said: Finally someone who made sense on this topic That’s the main reason why most men are conservative, they are the only one listening. #Believe all women(even when evidence says otherwise) was one of the worst abominations I’ve ever seen in modern history And this is from the side that takes pride on critical thinking You think it's *checks notes* progressives who don't take the issue of male victims of sexual or domestic violence seriously? I genuinely take it none of you are feminine gay men because the reality remains that male spaces have always been toxic and harmful by their own accord to feminine, largely gay men. Men didn't need women to make their spaces hostile and violent. I think any right-wing culture war diagnosis - whether liberal or conservative - misses out on the actual material reasoning why men are becoming polarized in the way they are with the education gap growing and wages collapsing for men (from what they once were) in a post-industrialization new technology economy. But poor men's suffering is not rooted in their malehood just because they're LOUDER than poor women, let alone then the basis for them to form an anti-"wokeness" reactionary male movement. I grew up destitute and always on the brink of homelessness. I don't think such would then be some justification for me as a white man to hate women as a class and finding jokes about them being gang-raped funny. Neoliberal feminism is class-blind feminism, not just "feminism I don't like and call woke". Where is Andrew Tate calling for a living wage? Why is Jordan Peter more interested in claiming women who wear lipstick have a rape fetish and not calling for healthcare to be a human right? They're grifters exploiting male suffering, not feminists. Edited January 27 by Communion 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretgarden Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 44 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: Progressives continue to ignore issues that men are facing today at education level, work opportunity, father hood, bullying issues, marriage etc. Meanwhile guys are still suppose to be men and just suck it up. You do realize that this is the result of the patriarchy and not "men hating feminists" like you hinted at earlier in your paragraph. You know, the same patriarchy that also continually oppresses & dehumanizes women. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, Communion said: You think it's *checks notes* progressives who don't take the issue of male victims of sexual or domestic violence seriously? I genuinely take it none of you are feminine gay men because the reality remains that male spaces have always been toxic and harmful by their own accord to feminine, largely gay men. Men didn't mean women to make their spaces hostile and violent. I think any right-wing culture war diagnosis - whether liberal or conservative - misses out on the actual material reasoning why men are becoming polarized in the way they are with the education gap growing and wages collapsing for men (from what they once were) in a post-industrialization new technology economy. But poor men's suffering is not rooted in their malehood just because they're LOUDER than poor women, let alone then the basis for them to form an anti-"wokeness" reactionary male movement. I grew up destitute and always on the brink of homelessness. I don't think such is some justification for hating women as a class and finding jokes about them being gang-raped funny. Hmmm I’m not defending men in general Just pointing out both extremes did this Reality is that there are lots of toxic men as there are toxic women out there. Imo the existence of rapist men doesn’t justify a campaign like “I hate all men”. Some women in tiktok for example talk about men like if they all are were abusive. Generalizations are ignorant and stupid and this is the consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Just now, Trent W said: Hmmm I’m not defending men in general Just pointing out both extremes did this Reality is that there are lots of toxic men as there are toxic women out there. Imo the existence of rapist men doesn’t justify a campaign like “I hate all men”. Some women in tiktok for example talk about men like if they all are were abusive. Generalizations are ignorant and stupid and this is the consequence. Do you think Andrew Tate cares about minimum wage increases for poor men when advocating for human trafficking women as a viable "side hustle'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Just now, Communion said: Do you think Andrew Tate cares about minimum wage increases for poor men when advocating for human trafficking women as a viable "side hustle'? I’m not defending Andrew Tate, he is in fact one of the worst things that happened to young men But the “ I hate all men” crowd were the ones to give him the perfect audience He is sadly the response to years and years of “I hate all men” “men are rapists” campaigns online 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, Communion said: You think it's *checks notes* progressives who don't take the issue of male victims of sexual or domestic violence seriously? I genuinely take it none of you are feminine gay men because the reality remains that male spaces have always been toxic and harmful by their own accord to feminine, largely gay men. Men didn't need women to make their spaces hostile and violent. I think any right-wing culture war diagnosis - whether liberal or conservative - misses out on the actual material reasoning why men are becoming polarized in the way they are with the education gap growing and wages collapsing for men (from what they once were) in a post-industrialization new technology economy. But poor men's suffering is not rooted in their malehood just because they're LOUDER than poor women, let alone then the basis for them to form an anti-"wokeness" reactionary male movement. I grew up destitute and always on the brink of homelessness. I don't think such is some justification for hating women as a class and finding jokes about them being gang-raped funny. Where is Andrew Tate calling for a living wage? Why is Jordan Peter more interested in claiming women who wear lipstick have a rape fetish and not calling for healthcare to be a human right? They're grifters exploiting male suffering, not feminists. Andrew Tate followers are mostly conservative teenage boys and incels. He isn’t seen as a beacon of intellectual conversation at all even among the republican elites. Jordan Peterson on the other hand is different case. But what both Trent and I speaking about is that this whole notion that conservative men are just being women hating is not true at all. Men are always naturally more conservative than women. When terry crews bravely made a post about being a victim of abuse by women it wasn’t just straight men picking on him they was number of straight women and gay men also mocking him. He even exposed all that on social media years ago. It’s clear there is a very double standard here among the gp. Many progressives claim they want equality it’s clear that many men see that equality only for some and not everyone. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, secretgarden said: You do realize that this is the result of the patriarchy and not "men hating feminists" like you hinted at earlier in your paragraph. You know, the same patriarchy that also continually oppresses & dehumanizes women. #metoo movement is run feminist groups not men. I’m pointing out that’s been over run by them. What patriarchy are you speaking off? Because there is certainly no patriarchy running this at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) here more info by an expert! Edited January 27 by Happylittlepunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamless Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Breaking Points videos getting posted, time to close the thread 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: Men are always naturally more conservative than women. This is literally a nonsensical statement. This does not make sense as even a thing to claim. "Conservative" is literally a nebulous political label whose meaning has changed and differed across time and societies. How is any category of humans "naturally" something that is unnatural and nebulous? You're ironically repeating the very same evo-psych nonsense that Jordan Peterson spreads that in itself promotes sex essentialism. You're claiming feminists want to put men in a box while promoting someone and a worldview that suggests men are biologically in a box by birth. Is the argument here that one's brain is wired "to be more conservative" (whatever this means) based on.. their sex chromosomes? What? Humans are not lobsters. You don't have a "male brain" that makes you inherently at odds with women and thus prone to going to the gym or not eating soy or whatever newest fad the various universe of men's rights grifters and pick-up artists are peddling now as "men's rights issues". Why does Jordan Peterson hate trans men if he claims to care about men? Why doesn't Jordan Peterson support universal healthcare? As economies in the developed Western world experience more wealth disparity, would poor men not benefit from socialism? Edited January 27 by Communion 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, Slamless said: Breaking Points videos getting posted, time to close the thread What’s wrong with breaking points? They legit did an interview with a social science expert regarding men in the US. Let me guess your one of those people that only trust Fox News, msnbc, or cnn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, Communion said: This is literally a nonsensical statement. This does not make sense as even a thing to claim. "Conservative" is literally a nebulous political label. How is any category of humans "naturally" something that is unnatural and nebulous? You're ironically repeating the very same evo-psych nonsense that Jordan Peterson spreads that in itself promotes sex essentialism. Is the argument here that one's brain is wired "to be more conservative" (whatever this means) based on.. their sex chromosomes? What? Humans are not lobsters. You don't have a "male brain" that makes you inherently at odds with women and thus prone to going to the gym or not eating soy or whatever newest fad the various universe of men's rights grifters and pick-up artists are peddling now as "men's rights issues". Why does Jordan Peterson hate trans women if he claims to care about men? Why doesn't Jordan Peterson support universal healthcare? Girl I don’t give a F***k about Jordan Peterson I am not going to defend here. I legit hate people like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson I don’t follow them. I am simply pointing out **** isn’t black and white. But dude we are not talking about whether your vegan, meat eater etc. men have always been more conservative than women history legit has show that. I think what people always forget that both men and women see the world very differently. In economics, education, healthcare etc. one shoe fits all will never exist. The more people see this the more both sides will legit be more understanding of each other and work together. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvadaKedavra Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) Is very worrisome I have interacted with some gen z youngsters in some whatsapp groups and the hate they throw to the women on the groups is just vicious. Some of my besties on the group (mostly milenials-gen x) had to call them out multiple times. They dont know how to talk to women. There's this agenda of "all women are the worst" "be an alpha male" circulating even outside the States. We are havin our own andrew tates and trumps. Is very scary. Sadly all the social media tech heads executives-ceos will do nothing about it. Anything for profit i guess. They will keep pushing these culture wars and infestation into the GP we live in dark times. Edited January 28 by AvadaKedavra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: Girl I don’t give a F***k about Jordan Peterson I am not going to defend here. I legit hate people like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson I don’t follow them. I am simply pointing out **** isn’t black and white. But dude we are not talking about whether your vegan, meat eater etc. men have always been more conservative than women history legit has show that. I think what people always forget that both men and women see the world very differently. In economics, education, healthcare etc. one shoe fits all will never exist. The more people see this the more both sides will legit be more understanding of each other and work together. Surely you see the irony in the bold while suggesting biological sex *is* meaningful enough to group people and that men can be stereotyped as being inherently different from how women are? Let alone then arguing that these alleged differences are not just cultural or sociological but biological? You keep scolding "extremists on both sides" yet reiterating that there are innate differences to men and women to mandate men and women as different sides to begin with. I'm sympathetic and don't actually view you as acting maliciously, but the arguments being put forward just don't make sense. The graphs show the ideological divide between men and women in Western countries is *WORSENING* and at times did not exist, which would then not work with your suggestion that men and women are just inherently different biologically (and somehow politically?). It suggests it correlates with worsening economic equality. The measure of how conservative men are is trending rightward, yet there remain differences men's ideologies between cultures, which suggests again that there is no such thing as a "biological inclination to being conservative" in men. A majority of young men in Britain are not voting for conservatives to begin with! The first minute in the Richard Reeves interview you linked to starts with him admitting in his research that the vast majority of suffering amongst men is concentrated in working class men and, due to being a study in America, often amongst disenfranchised groups like men of color, immigrant man, queer men, etc. Again, I'm sympathetic over the shortcomings of a capitalist system and how neoliberalism will often be given the largest platform, but neoliberal corporate feminism shouting over a Marxist understanding of class doesn't itself then make the inverse true. You're still doing the same standpoint theory you claim is what makes feminism bad. Neoliberal girlboss feminism not having enough of an answer for why poor men are exploited by rich men doesn't then suddenly make those poor men justified in listening to those very same rich men who exploit them when they tell them they're lonely, haven't gone on a date in 5 years, and are stuck in a low-paying job because women are less intelligent beings who deserve degradation and sexual brutalization. "Both sides are bad" is just a nonsensical distraction when one can't even articulate what "sides" they believe are at work here. Suggesting this is a "men's rights" issue based on some belief that men have unique sex-based needs is in itself distracting from issues of class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevate Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Not that surprising. Not to be crude, but I'm pretty sure this boils down to sex and dating. Girls are more empowered + smarter than ever and are saying NO to toxic men. In response, men are claiming they're being victimised and unfairly labelled as toxic, rather than reflecting on their behaviour and the WHY of many women feel unsafe around them. Things will get better eventually because this generation of women will only procreate with the good guys. The rest will be left to die off. It's a shame the process can't be sped up, but it is what it is. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentB Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/24/2024 at 1:28 PM, Trent W said: Every day this forum manages to create a more idiotic thread outdoing the past one It’s impressive 5 hours ago, Trent W said: Andrew tate and the extremist feminists are at fault Dating as a straight has become hell in the last 2-3 years I hate feminists and hate alpha males Burn them with fire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applestar Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 hours ago, Happylittlepunk said: What an ignorant comment. You are a straight male 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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