vale9001 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Around 2 years ago Taylor Swift antis remained with nothing since everything they were spinning to undervalue her success has been proven wrong years by years. So the new obsession coming from nothing was "her songs have remixes", something every pop- rock single, especially the first single, from pop albums have since the end of the 70s and the age of disco music. These remixes are infact in the 90% of the cases disco-dance inspired remixes made to push the song in the clubs and to give something exclusive to people buying the single. These are all the single versions of Mariah Carey My All from 1998. So can we just move on?. The discussion about it is so pointless and boring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State of Grace. Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Mariah was the OG queen of remixes and discounts. Everybody knows this. We need Pop girls to start serving amazing house remixes like hers though. Edited January 19 by State of Grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideOrDie Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 they all know very well that there would not be a single difference to her success if she had no remixes/versions... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornings Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Yeah remember when you could buy single vinyls with all the mixes and DJs would scour the record stores for the rare ones for their sets? I don’t cause I wasn’t born yet but it used to be like Pokémon for real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordecai Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) the 80s were not 50 years ago Edited January 19 by Mordecai 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsouko Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Physical-era maxi-singles with a six or eight distinct commissioned remixes are not the same as modern-day digital EPs with filler for streaming and chart points like (sped up), (slowed), and an (edit) that removes like 20 seconds. Y'all can keep that smoothbrained ass **** lol 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn. Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 What I don't get is what difference does a remix or sped up version makes ? If the song is meant to flop, that won't stop it so I don't get it. Who even listens to those anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melancholy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Stupid comparison, one is giving exclusivity to boost sales - actually giving something new to the fans through remixes with re-recorded vocals and reinventing the song multiple times; one is releasing 1283128 version of the same song just different edits these are not remixes, it's still the same ******* recording, same vocals, same backing track...the closest thing we got to an actual "remix" that could be placed on one of those maxi singles from back in the days is the extended mix where we actually got some new stuff...like use your brains gheys 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEX Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Bring back quality remixes and then we'll talk. These lazy versions are not it (and it applies to pretty much everyone) - can't remember the last time I've listened to a worthy remix that didn't feature a brand new artist on the song 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosque Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Cheating on your husband has also existed for over 50 years, doesn’t mean we have to cheer it on 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Mariah’s remixes were included on physical releases of singles, were completely different songs, and were a major component of her artistry. This is a completely dumb comparison. 39 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: Mariah was the OG queen of remixes and discounts. Everybody knows this. We need Pop girls to start serving amazing house remixes like hers though. Everyone has always discounted and her remixes were not sales ploys. The other difference is that people still bought those physical singles (and almost always the songs were already #1). Mariah never did it more than any other act and none of her #1s aside from maybe TGIFY went #1 because of a discount, but an inaccuracy-filled blog post has people thinking otherwise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danes Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 What they said above, nice try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apolonio Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Ok lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnettakins Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Taylor the queen of remixes and alternate version to hack the charts wbk! Thanks for the confirmation!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotunda Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, vale9001 said: So can we just move on?. The discussion about it is so pointless and boring Have you not seen your own post history? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airplane Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) and this is somehow comparable to your fave releasing a (limited edition website only) remix a few hours before tracking ends, every single week to inflate her sales? I'm pretty sure most of the remixes in your post were put out several weeks or months after the song's initial chart run but in your fave's case, she releases them to keep her songs afloat, exclusively on her website for purchasing only. which is smart but also very desperate. Edited January 19 by airplane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Silva Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Possibly the first remixer was called Tom Moulton, his work on Gloria Gaynor’s “Never Can Say Goodbye”, was one of the first extended remixes that put the format on the map: Donna Summer then embraced this format with her creative partner Giorgio Moroder in the mid 70’s they also released a version of her first U.S. Billboard No. 1 with a vocal version that is over 17 minutes in duration. By the 80’s Madonna had embraced the trend and she was one of only a few artists (at that time) to release a full extended dance mix album in 1987, it went on to sell around 4 million copies worldwide. Madonna made then Hot remixer Shep Pettibone a household name. There have been many other famous remixers over the years and everyone from Janet Jackson (who also released a remix album of her own) has engaged with the services of Shep Pettibone as well. In the 90’s Mariah also embraced the trend and whilst she also initially turned to Shep Pettibone on her hit “Someday”, she quickly became better known for her later successful re-works with David Morales (another household name and huge DJ) and re-recorded her vocals to alternate top-line melodies (from the album mixes) for many of her biggest hits: A proper full length vocal mix runs from at least 6 mins up to (in some rare cases 15 mins+). These mixes were originally released on 12” Vinyl (the same size vinyl as an album), however unlike a vinyl album these records played at 45 rpm (rotations per minute) as opposed to 33 rpm (as most vinyl albums do). The purpose of a vocal 12” extended dance mix is to give you enough time to truly lose yourself in the music by promoting a goosebump sensation and creating an aural fantasyland where you can forget all your cares whilst also being empowered by the message of the songs lyrics. It is the closest form of non sexual pleasure a human being can experience (provided you have found the right song that resonates to you in a specific moment, with the correct mix, when this occurs you are entering the zone). Other instrumental based mixes called “Dub Mixes” also exist but they typically contain none or only a fraction of the full length original vocal. In the 90’s “taste maker” remixes became a thing, which differed from extended mixes as these would frequently sound nothing like the original song at all, these were deemed to be more avant garde (experimental) and were often quite pretentious (they are also still around but have mostly been shortened to radio length in the streaming age). Nothing can beat a good (non avant garde) 12” extended vocal mix that differs from “taste maker” remixes as they retain the backing music as the original radio length track but simply breakdown (then build back up) its backing music in the form of extrapolated instrumental passages, instrumentation and codas. Short breakdowns are sometimes referred to as “drops”. In pre-digital days of physical media, record labels could (on rare occasions) sometimes get away with releasing up to 7 singles from an album that would mostly all be Top 10 Hits. The pictures, typeface/ font and graphics for these 12” single releases would typically follow the same format as the artwork of the parent album and extend the parent album’s lifecycle for up to 2 years (occasionally more). Your collection of your favourite artist’s music was considered incomplete if you did not have that artist’s 12” extended vocal mixes for in many cases EVERY single they released (in select cases even ballads). In the aftermath of the pandemic, people want to return to the hedonistic dance-floor rush of the past and this has created a revival for the extended mix. I happen to have recently created a Kylie playlist that consists mainly of her best ones. Edited January 29 by Dante Silva 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiatus Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I am so sorry for people who don't know what a good remix is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetTalker Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Robyn. said: Who even listens to those anyway. You’d be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40000000000000 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 not seeing the difference between recording new versions of a song and simply changing the bpm of a song is crazy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn. Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/19/2024 at 7:05 PM, SweetTalker said: You’d be surprised. They're still not that important. Who even begins to say "Have you heard that sped up version of that Ariana song?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Silva Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I just wanted to place this extended one here as it is brand new, delivers the goods and is a random example of the format being alive and well: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatestX Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/19/2024 at 10:54 AM, Dante Silva said: By the 80’s Madonna had embraced the trend and she was one of only a few artists (at that time) to release a full extended dance mix album in 1987, it went on to sell around 4 million copies worldwide. Madonna made then Hot remixer Shep Pettibone a household name. There have been many other famous remixers over the years and everyone from Janet Jackson (who later followed Madonna’s lead by releasing a remix album of her own) has engaged in the services of one (or several). Technically, Control: The Remixes came out before You Can Dance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Silva Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 hours ago, TheGreatestX said: Technically, Control: The Remixes came out before You Can Dance... To be clear we are talking 11 days of difference. Not in the U.S. though, with Janet’s team lacking faith the remix album concept would work outside Japan and Europe (with the U.S. finally receiving a digital release 32 years after the fact in 2019). Madonna did have faith in the U.S. market where YCD proceeded to peak at No. 14 on the main Billboard album chart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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