ImpressMeMuch Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Wait, why is everyone posting Chromatica? Because only Babylon is something I could see even remotely being close to ballroom house (maybe Stupid Love but.. idk). Rain on Me isn’t ballroom house, it’s just your 2012 track gay europop song. But Babylon wasn’t a single and Stupid Love.. uhh. It was certainly the lead. But that being said, I don’t think Beyonce really did either. It’s something that comes and goes depending on whether a pop girl wants to dabble or not. Rain on me is certainly house rooted and put into a pop edm context. You can hear it in the song itself but the demos make it more clear.
Relampago. Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, ImpressMeMuch said: Rain on me is certainly house rooted and put into a pop edm context. You can hear it in the song itself but the demos make it more clear. I can see that. It doesn’t read as much in the final version I guess. The breakdown definitely sounds the most like it, not as much in the verses I guess? 2
ImpressMeMuch Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I can see that. It doesn’t read as much in the final version I guess. The breakdown definitely sounds the most like it, not as much in the verses I guess? Yah I hear ya, the final production definitely rung it out a bit
Chris Posted January 14 Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 4:56 PM, readytowind said: No. Your bey already borrowed Vogue narratives from madonna. So bey needs to pay the bill first. She already did with the Queens remix and literally paying respect to Madonna during the Renaissance Tour. Can you stop please?
The7thStranger Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) Azealia was way ahead of the curve on this one. Edited January 14 by The7thStranger
Vixen Eyes Posted January 14 Posted January 14 i can see Renaissance being influenced by Ballroom rather than being simply full on Ballroom. 2
Brikenbur Posted January 14 Posted January 14 21 hours ago, Sugden said: yes they are lol Go back and listen to original Chicago house, THEN respond
Strawberry Bubble Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/12/2024 at 2:22 AM, rihannafan said: Pose (2016) did, whew I LOVE this show
IsidoraMarí Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Surprise releases, Full video albums, no videos album, "edgy" release dates are the things she's at the forefront of but she hasn't commanded the sound of radio for a good 15 years.
Polgg48 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 only purpose for the album is for elderly in music industry to vote for her (hence the title name) at grammy which succeed in categories. she dgaf about impactful meaningful acclaim garbage praise outside of her fans, obviously. 2
1989 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/12/2024 at 2:22 AM, rihannafan said: Pose (2016) did, whew One of my favorite shows of all time
alfonso12 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Ariana's song isn't ballroom, it's house music, which Gaga, Dua Lipa, Jessie Ware and Roisin Murphy already did in 2020.
GreatCoolBright Posted January 18 Posted January 18 I’d say Gaga defo helped put it in the forefront and let’s be real all popstars probably check what each other is doing i wouldn’t be shocked if Beyonce herself was inspired by Gaga ALONG with dozens of other influences of course
yonsé Posted January 18 Posted January 18 On 1/12/2024 at 5:19 AM, SinnerCity said: Renaissance on the other hand was created by sampling many many songs to create a ballroom vibe but is far far from actually being ballroom coded with the exception perhaps of BMS Queens Remix. (shein girl voice) oh ok.
BaddieBarb Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) I’d say yes. It’s not about who does it first, it’s about who popularized it and it feels like Beyoncé did after Renaissance. Chromatica did not have impact besides a few gays Edited January 18 by BaddieBarb Typo 1
TipToe Posted January 18 Posted January 18 What Beyoncé did serves more like an empowerment trumph. You see Beyoncé celebrating that culture on a millionaire tour, you know they won (emphasis on tour because the visual/aesthetic aspect is more telling imo, the music so so). That's it, i don't see a trend being birthed nor becoming bigger on 2022, Renaissance happened alongside a much more receptive landscape for ballroom and a lot of things contributed to that in the late years.
swissman Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) I would say YES and no. No, because house music has been at the forefront of pop for decades. Many pop girls who dabble in dance music have put out something with ballroom/house-influence, some of which were singles and hits of varying degrees. Most were made by artists not totally in the forefront of the mainstream, though. But with the popularity of a show like Legendary and the subsequent "voguing" that appeared in certain pop videos, it's by no means something that wasn't in the front of pop culture, though perhaps not the absolute "forefront". That said, certainly not many of the ballroom/house-influenced tracks went #1 (like BREAK MY SOUL) nor came from a record whose intent was to shine line on the culture. What separates RENAISSANCE from other albums released around the same time is that both its references and its motivation were entirely clear. It's hard to bring a genre to the forefront if it's masked behind other styles and/or not fully alluded to by artist or in the work itself. Beyoncé said very clearly what her album's influences were, and she let us know through the music, the collaborators/samples and stylistically, and even the dancers hired to perform it. For the most part, it is true to the ballroom sound, not a watered down version created for radios. Edited January 19 by swissman
swissman Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) On 1/12/2024 at 8:19 AM, SinnerCity said: Renaissance on the other hand was created by sampling many many songs to create a ballroom vibe but is far far from actually being ballroom coded with the exception perhaps of BMS Queens Remix. RENAISSANCE is far from being "ballroom-coded" because there is absolutely no deciphering of any code that needs to be done. There's no ambiguity about whether or not RENAISSANCE has ballroom elements. It decidedly is ballroom-inspired, not in totality but like the others you mentioned, in certain songs. PURE/HONEY may contain multiple samples, but the result is one that actually includes the work of three legitimate ballroom artists. So, it's not "coded" with ballroom, it's inclusive of it. Whether that means she created an entirely new ballroom beat, or riffed off existing ones, that doesn't really make a difference to this specific conversation where the question is if she brought it to the forefront. Edited January 19 by swissman
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