album Ariana Grande - 'eternal sunshine'

[kayliah]

The album has suffered a lot due to lack of promo and the whole homewrecker situation. I guess she was also scared to promote given how much she is disliked at the moment. Maybe she just wanted to put out the music and let it do the work but radio isnt supporting her because of her image and some people arent streaming her songs because again of her image. It's a tough call to make as her team honestly. Maybe in a few years after rehabilating her image i guess...

[Tm4074]

22 hours ago, kayliah said:

The album has suffered a lot due to lack of promo and the whole homewrecker situation. I guess she was also scared to promote given how much she is disliked at the moment. Maybe she just wanted to put out the music and let it do the work but radio isnt supporting her because of her image and some people arent streaming her songs because again of her image. It's a tough call to make as her team honestly. Maybe in a few years after rehabilating her image i guess...

Yeah it's definitely an image thing but more so her Glinda/Audrey Hepburn 1950's aesthetic she has going on now is such a jarring contrast from how she was presented during Sweetener/TUN/Positions. I know the internet goes after her for cultural appropriation and her spray tan, but let's face it they loved that image of her. Fans are constantly complaining she's too guarded now, her princess-like speech/image, etc. while she used to stand up for herself and clap back. Now she's very PR and safe - which I totally understand due to the criticisms she got and has continue to get for every little thing - but in terms of the GP and some fans too they aren't here for it. 

 

Tbh once she goes back to brunette and retires the Glinda persona people will come back around. Hopefully she retires Glinda after part 1 this year and doesn't carry this out until part 2 because her fans are already kinda sick of it lol. I personally don't care but just the general consensus I see online. 

[knewbetterpt2]

Her fans complain she's too guarded but are the same ones that scare her away behind these walls in the first place (cc: cannibal tweet) This rollout has been a breath of fresh air compared to previous eras imo. If you actually map out on paper how much promo she's done since March 8th it's an endless buffet of things to pick from. People are just constantly hungry for the next thing and don't want to enjoy something for what it is for more than 10minutes in 2024. She's serving nothing but elegance and pop star this era whether the "fans" like it or not. I'm personally still perched for the Supernatural video her and Christian were teasing. I also think "Imperfect For You" would do numbers on radio for a fall moment. 

Edited August 19 by knewbetterpt2

[genio]

On 8/18/2024 at 11:31 PM, kayliah said:

The album has suffered a lot due to lack of promo and the whole homewrecker situation. 

I don't think the album suffered due to the homewrecking allegations. It's performing quite typical for an Ariana era (Sweetener, Positions, DW-like), so I don't understand everyone saying it's doing poorly. It has one huge hit with WBCF, another #1 that was a minor-hit and a third single, which is typically the fan favorite one. 

 

It could perform better, but it did what it had to do imo. It was a successful era and now she can close this chapter and move on to Wicked (since there's sadly no signs of a deluxe soon, so whatever). 

[mxoonlight]

i don't think i've ever seen her fans crash out this bad mid-era (taking turns dragging her, each other and chappell roan…). it's gone beyond finding ariana's current mode of promotion annoying they literally need to be detained with how deranged they're being. 

 

i feel like there's underlying resentment because this has always been (let's say it) a cash grab/damn here y'all go so we would go see the movie and after six months they caught onto it. and mind you tbim would be top ten if she did a dance video but let me shut up

[D.Va]

Is the deluxe dropping soon ? 

I'm seeing a lot of talk on Twitter but I feel like it's just "insideerrr!!!!1111!!1" non sense 

[Tm4074]

Yeah fans are extra deranged this album era. They have lost the plot lmao. I think it's because there is a disconnect with her Glinda image clashing with her music and fans can sense that. I swear once this woman goes back to brunette, gets a slight spray tan and starts putting her fans in their place again peace will be restored in the fandom.  

 

Excited for the deluxe but I have a feeling we won't get it until after Wicked. 

[Matchatea]

23 hours ago, D.Va said:

Is the deluxe dropping soon ? 

I'm seeing a lot of talk on Twitter but I feel like it's just "insideerrr!!!!1111!!1" non sense 

Probably coming out in January or December. I know December is a weird month, but she dropped her concert album in December before, I doubt that ppl are expecting huge numbers for a deluxe.

[ariananext]

I'll give my two cents about all that's been going on with her fanbase. 

 

She's given us her best album - and if one doesn't think it's her best it's undeniable that it's a great body of work, because it has her best lyrics, great vocals, gave us a genre switch, her best music video and more promo than her last 2 eras combined.

 

I don't think it was "forced" because she could've just bought 13 songs and put them out if that was the case, with no promo whatsoever. Instead she wrote most of it by herself, worked with different people, went out of her comfort zone and she did performances AND interviews - something she refused to do until this year.

 

The real issue seems to be that she's moved away from the persona her fans want her to embody. It's not just about her demeanor, which people like to blame on Wicked, but mostly about the fact that she doesn't allow them to have that parasocial relationship that fans nowadays crave.

 

Back in 2011-2018 she was always online chatting with fans, out taking pictures, following stans on twitter and she was also one of the first artists to do so. When she stepped back after the Sweetener Tour I think many of her fans lost that feeling of connection.

 

The thing is she's 100% right to do so because she's been through a lot and she has to protect herself, her peace and her mental health, and it was clear as the day back in 2018-2019 when she spiraled on Twitter that social media aren't good for her. She's built a character, she did back in 2013, she did it in 2018 and again in 2021, and that's still to protect herself.

 

She doesn't live for her job the way some others do, she's not seeking validation for her craft or talent, and she's not interested in exposing her vulnerabilities for public consumption nor for sympathy. She works hard, but on her own terms, and while she loves her fans, after everything she's been through both personally and professionally, she's likely willing to sacrifice some chart success or adoration for the sake of her well-being, she set boundaries she had to set.

 

I personally don't have anything to complain about because I love Eternal Sunshine and I just learned that I shouldn't be so demanding with her, the era (especially the first month) was enjoyable, more than many others, especially A listers, do at the moment. I'm excited for Wicked, I'm excited for whatever will be coming and I think that anybody who keeps complaining about everything should simply learn to let her go because at this point they're just building resentment towards Ariana (and she clearly feels it) and ruining the experience for fans who still enjoy stanning her. 

Edited August 22 by ariananext

[Matchatea]

46 minutes ago, ariananext said:

I'll give my two cents about all that's been going on with her fanbase. 

 

She's given us her best album - and if one doesn't think it's her best it's undeniable that it's a great body of work, because it has her best lyrics, great vocals, gave us a genre switch, her best music video and more promo than her last 2 eras combined.

 

I don't think it was "forced" because she could've just bought 13 songs and put them out if that was the case, with no promo whatsoever. Instead she wrote most of it by herself, worked with different people, went out of her comfort zone and she did performances AND interviews - something she refused to do until this year.

 

The real issue seems to be that she's moved away from the persona her fans want her to embody. It's not just about her demeanor, which people like to blame on Wicked, but mostly about the fact that she doesn't allow them to have that parasocial relationship that fans nowadays crave.

 

Back in 2011-2018 she was always online chatting with fans, out taking pictures, following stans on twitter and she was also one of the first artists to do so. When she stepped back after the Sweetener Tour I think many of her fans lost that feeling of connection.

 

The thing is she's 100% right to do so because she's been through a lot and she has to protect herself, her peace and her mental health, and it was clear as the day back in 2018-2019 when she spiraled on Twitter that social media aren't good for her. She's built a character, she did back in 2013, she did it in 2018 and again in 2021, and that's still to protect herself.

 

She doesn't live for her job the way some others do, she's not seeking validation for her craft or talent, and she's not interested in exposing her vulnerabilities for public consumption nor for sympathy. She works hard, but on her own terms, and while she loves her fans, after everything she's been through both personally and professionally, she's likely willing to sacrifice some chart success or adoration for the sake of her well-being, she set boundaries she had to set.

 

I personally don't have anything to complain about because I love Eternal Sunshine and I just learned that I shouldn't be so demanding with her, the era (especially the first month) was enjoyable, more than many others, especially A listers, do at the moment. I'm excited for Wicked, I'm exciting for whatever will be coming and I think that anybody who keeps complaining about everything should simply learn to let her go because at this point they're just building resentment towards Ariana (and she clearly feels it) and ruining the experience for fans who still enjoy stanning her. 

Agree! A lot of fans don't realize that she has really established boundaries over the past few years, which is great to see bc the eras ppl miss were eras where her mental health was an all time low. You can tell by interviews that she seems more present and has said that she hated the exposure from her last few eras, she wanted to hide from it. 
 

she's been though a lot and I wouldn't have blamed her if she stopped doing music entirely. Also, while she does interact with fans in a sense, it's a lot healthier. I have seen her still dm ppl on insta from time to time, but I'm glad it's not like 2019. 

[Matchatea]

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[STMG23]

On 8/18/2024 at 11:31 PM, kayliah said:

The album has suffered a lot due to lack of promo and the whole homewrecker situation. I guess she was also scared to promote given how much she is disliked at the moment. Maybe she just wanted to put out the music and let it do the work but radio isnt supporting her because of her image and some people arent streaming her songs because again of her image. It's a tough call to make as her team honestly. Maybe in a few years after rehabilating her image i guess...

Didn't the album do great?

[ariananext]

Just now, STMG23 said:

Didn't the album do great?

I think while she has some high peaks (My Everything, Thank U Next) all her albums end up quite big in the long run even though in their release year the reception felt mild compared to those two I mentioned above.

 

I think ES is on the same boat as all her others bar Yours Truly. 

[STMG23]

Just now, ariananext said:

I think while she has some high peaks (My Everything, Thank U Next) all her albums end up quite big in the long run even though in their release year the reception felt mild compared to those two I mentioned above.

 

I think ES is on the same boat as all her others bar Yours Truly. 

I did not follow the ara closely but it was the first album of hers that I bought and I actually love it.

[TOKYO.]

8 minutes ago, STMG23 said:

Didn't the album do great?

in my honest opinion it did really good. the album must have had a big profit financially. like if u only alraedy look at spotify.. i think she funded the album herself, not sure, but it looked like it from the beginning. she has WCBF smashing, and going to at least 1 billion by the end of the year. yes and potentially 600 million, and then some tracks around 100 and 200 million, and thats only on spotify.

[Gerardo]

12 hours ago, ariananext said:

I think that anybody who keeps complaining about everything should simply learn to let her go because at this point they're just building resentment towards Ariana (and she clearly feels it) and ruining the experience for fans who still enjoy stanning her. 

!!!!!

a million times thissss, I hate the childish comments of cupcake stans sayings "then unstan her!!", but this time it really is true, people who havent liked anything of the past year/s (ES, the singles/mvs, interviews, performances, and everything related to Wicked) should really just accept that Ariana is not interesting to THEM anymore, but instead they love trashing on everything to ruin stuff for all the other fans

[Gerardo]

dont wanna break up again is gonna end up as one her best and most underrarted album tracks, its just so amazing and relatable 

[Topaz]

The streams look like it had 7 singles anyways so I'd consider it a successful era tbh.

 

WCBF - 1 Billion at some point

Yes And - 500m

Intro/Boy Is Mine - 300m

Bye - 200m

Eternal Sunshine/Supernatural/DWBUA - 150M each within 2025.

[Topaz]

True Story, I Wish I Hated U, and Imperfect are all in the 75-84m going to 100 million. Only flops of the album are an interlude and Ordinary Things but even then for album tracks they did well.

[charmed23]

3 hours ago, Topaz said:

Only flops of the album are an interlude and Ordinary Things but even then for album tracks they did well.

I'm not a fan but I LOVE this song, and Imperfect For You. 

[OrgVisual]

4 hours ago, Topaz said:

The streams look like it had 7 singles anyways so I'd consider it a successful era tbh.

 

WCBF - 1 Billion at some point

Yes And - 500m

Intro/Boy Is Mine - 300m

Bye - 200m

Eternal Sunshine/Supernatural/DWBUA - 150M each within 2025.

The album has been showing incredible longevity on Spotify. Even on par with some high profile releases in the last years.

 

But this forum needs to hang up on Billboard chart positions

[Aristocrat]

On 8/21/2024 at 11:59 AM, ariananext said:

I personally don't have anything to complain about because I love Eternal Sunshine and I just learned that I shouldn't be so demanding with her, the era (especially the first month) was enjoyable, more than many others, especially A listers, do at the moment. I'm excited for Wicked, I'm excited for whatever will be coming and I think that anybody who keeps complaining about everything should simply learn to let her go because at this point they're just building resentment towards Ariana (and she clearly feels it) and ruining the experience for fans who still enjoy stanning her. 

Agreed. All the fans keep begging for more promo but I'm unsure exactly what they expect her to do? Compared to Positions, this era had way more promo from her. Release week she had SNL, Zach Sang, Zane Lowe... and she even stretched out promo doing podcast interviews, Fallon, Hot Ones weeks and weeks after the album released. It's obvious she was prepping to launch the deluxe soon as well, before her stans pissed her off and she posted that "I'm just focusing on Wicked" IG story.

 

I think a lot of her fans just expect her to work and move like she did when she was a pop star on the rise from 2013-2018, and that's just never going to happen again. She's a very established star. She has nothing to prove in regards to charts, sales, streams, awards, and she's never hidden the fact that she doesn't truly care about those things. She's said a lot of what she's wanted to say musically, and I feel like any music we get going forward is just something we should be glad to get, rather than expect to reach levels of era like My Everything or thank u, next. So many of her Twitters stans are constantly comparing the Eternal Sunshine era (her 7th album, 11 years into her incredibly successful career) to what newbies on the rise like Olivia, Tate, and even Sabrina are doing. It's delusional to expert her to move like them at this point in her life and career. It's clear she also cares about a lot of other endeavors like Wicked (and I wouldn't be surprised if it leads to more acting roles or even a stint on Broadway in the near future), her makeup brand, her perfumes, and just living her quiet personal life away from the craziness of the pop music world, which she has expressed desire for, for years. 

[Matchatea]

1 hour ago, Aristocrat said:

Agreed. All the fans keep begging for more promo but I'm unsure exactly what they expect her to do? Compared to Positions, this era had way more promo from her. Release week she had SNL, Zach Sang, Zane Lowe... and she even stretched out promo doing podcast interviews, Fallon, Hot Ones weeks and weeks after the album released. It's obvious she was prepping to launch the deluxe soon as well, before her stans pissed her off and she posted that "I'm just focusing on Wicked" IG story.

 

I think a lot of her fans just expect her to work and move like she did when she was a pop star on the rise from 2013-2018, and that's just never going to happen again. She's a very established star. She has nothing to prove in regards to charts, sales, streams, awards, and she's never hidden the fact that she doesn't truly care about those things. She's said a lot of what she's wanted to say musically, and I feel like any music we get going forward is just something we should be glad to get, rather than expect to reach levels of era like My Everything or thank u, next. So many of her Twitters stans are constantly comparing the Eternal Sunshine era (her 7th album, 11 years into her incredibly successful career) to what newbies on the rise like Olivia, Tate, and even Sabrina are doing. It's delusional to expert her to move like them at this point in her life and career. It's clear she also cares about a lot of other endeavors like Wicked (and I wouldn't be surprised if it leads to more acting roles or even a stint on Broadway in the near future), her makeup brand, her perfumes, and just living her quiet personal life away from the craziness of the pop music world, which she has expressed desire for, for years. 

Forreal! This woman has 9 number 1 singles, 6 #1 albums, holds the Spotify record for most songs over 1 billion, tied with Taylor on a Spotify record, etc. She doesn't need to prove herself as a MPG or status as one bc SHE IS that girl!!! She also said in the Apple Music interview how the peaks of her career like TUN era was stressful with all eyes on her, especially with her dealing with ongoing trauma! She doesn't seem to want the huge pop girl lifestyle anymore, but it's ok bc she has a fanbase. She might have an album peak again but who knows! Sabrina has songs on her new album that ppl think are Ariana Grande influenced, showing how Ari has an impact and legacy in pop music!

[shark_heather]

19 minutes ago, Matchatea said:

Sabrina has songs on her new album that ppl think are Ariana Grande influenced, showing how Ari has an impact and legacy in pop music!

I mean .... espresso ....

 

Imagine if Espresso was the lead and Yes And was the album opener ...

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Ariana is doing amazing. She released one of her best albums. She scored two #1 hits this year. The Boy Is Mine was a cute summer bop. The music videos were amazing. She did SNL, Hot Ones, several TV appearances. Literally why are some of y'all complaining.... This era is 10x more enjoyable than Positions ever was and you all know it. Allow her to take these next two months or so off from music so she can take time for herself and to prepare for Wicked's premiere. Ariana has constantly stressed how important Wicked is to her and how much she worked for that role.