base talk What if Taylor is a man?

[Revolution]

What levels of success would she have achieved by now?

Bigger than The Beatles?

 

 

 

[dirrtydiana]

 

Morgan Wallen at best.

 

Her success comes from being a privileged white woman 

[Peak Now]

I was about to type "she has an entire song on this topic" but... well...

[Orsay]

She’d be a billionaire in a different way probably, investment banker or something

[queenoftheclouds]

We wouldn't have great music 

[Strawberry Bubble]

She would have been raised very differently. As others pointed out, maybe her musical talents wouldn't be her top priorities, as the social construct around her would have forced or pressured her to take another career path, like, for example, the one that her father took. 

 

Everything went perfect for her. She is as big as she can get. 

[Illuminati]

She would be

Spoiler

complex, she would be cool. They'd say she played the field before she found someone to commit to...  And that would be ok for her to do

 

[monologueNacafe]

You all will find any way to make a thread about this woman 

[Ron Ng]

She'll be another Garth Brooks

[Rv1709]

Not you trynna get us to stream that tragic song 

[kimberly]

she'd be a twink

[Itsaliability]

She would be skinny and have a big 🐓

And a Charlixbox fanbase 

[Nickimeetsatrl]

She will probably have Conan Gray level of success 😭

[Wonderland]

I always found Taylor's logic on this a bit off. If we solely focus on her career (and exclude the known social/interpersonal disadvantages women face); Taylor's point of difference from the start was that she was a young woman in a male-dominated country genre. If she was a man she probably would've never left country and/or become a pop star.

 

But equally, this discussion is so damn pointless. Look to amplify the women in your own life who you can see are facing oppression and disadvantage. The white female billionaire doesn't need it.

 

[tost1]

She wouldn't have a chance to play victim as much as she did

[Gorjesspazze9]

She be as cringe as Drake 

[kevino]

She'd be similar to troye I fear

[flashfox]

She’s already bigger than the beatles I fear

[Gelato]

Well, the leaked email shows money was no object for her parents in buying her success. As a man she would be even more privileged so potentially she would be a bit more successful.

 

Maybe a more interesting question is what if she was a person of colour from a low-income household. Holding her talent endowment constant, would she have made it? Discuss!

[Nickimeetsatrl]

30 minutes ago, Gelato said:

Well, the leaked email shows money was no object for her parents in buying her success. As a man she would be even more privileged so potentially she would be a bit more successful.

 

Maybe a more interesting question is what if she was a person of colour from a low-income household. Holding her talent endowment constant, would she have made it? Discuss!

Absolutely not. 

[MidnightsAtPeace]

yall taking about white privilege with white artists as your avi  

[Taylor fanboy]

She would be balding now.

 

[TouchinFree]

He would be cancelled immediately for dating famous women and making songs about them. To come think of it, i think JT is the male Taylor 

 

So yeah, terrible idea. Taylor is benefitting alot from current wave of feminism and privileged white women. If she had debuted in early 2000's she would've bombed. 

[liquiddiamonds]

Her whole thing is being relatable to women and writing from her experiences that connect to them. I’m in the minority but I don’t think Taylor would have been as successful as a man. When we see the male archetypes of a popstar, especially from Taylor’s debut times, they had to dance, be attractive, incorporate R&B, etc none of these are strong Taylor abilities (she is attractive as a woman, but I don’t think her looks would translate as well as a man). I also think if she were to pursuit a music career she wouldn’t have left country music and would have been a male Miranda Lambert type of acclaimed artist at her time. At best a Morgan or Kenny type of success tale, but she would have to play even safer to hook the male country audience that hates certain topics that female pop Taylor has approached in her music
 

On the other hand I think she would have had a better shot in the film industry, because people wouldn’t be so fixed on her brand and name as a musician to a point they couldn’t dissociate it from a character or a movie directed by her 🫣

Edited December 31, 2023 by liquiddiamonds

[shyboi]

she would be so good looking! she always gives me very manly vibes idk why