celeb news Email from ‘Scott Swift’ (Taylor Swift’s Dad) to Taylor’s old manager in 2005 leaks

[Jay07]

11 minutes ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

You should have this same energy towards your fave  

My fave was poor as **** and went through audition after audition fighting among hundreds for a spot since she was a kid and was picked every time. First for a play in New York, then for the Mickey Mouse Club (singing, dancing and acting) and then for a recording contract only to become one of the most iconic performers of the 21st century. And you best believe daddy wasn't selling his mansion to buy her a contract, it was her supporting him. Rich mansion babies asking daddy to buy them a record label where they're the only act can't relate.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Jay07

[FightDragonsWithMe]

1 minute ago, Static Shock said:

Correction: a Christmas-tree farm that her Merrill Lynch father and a mutual fund marketing executive mother purchased from one of his clients. 

That she's kept hidden from us all until 2023 I'm destroying my Blank Space single rn 

[MissedTheTrain]

3 minutes ago, Saintlor said:

I still cannot believe how privileged Taylor is to have been given so much and she would cry over not being nominated for a Grammy despite already winning a dozen

 

It can be really shocking how these people have so much and always want more  

 

 

Taylor is the type that when she was worth hundreds of millions, I bet she was upset that other singers like Rihanna were billionaires as she wants to be the richest one  

 

I mean... I don't think this applies to how much money she has in the same way that it applies to getting praise for her work. She's a people pleaser, always has been, and seeks out acceptance/praise.  When she doesn't get the level of acclaim she's hoping for, she doesn't get an ego about it and say everyone else is wrong....she fully takes it on herself as "I clearly did something wrong here and I need to do it differently next time".

 

Her taking her cues from those things has resulted in some great work (Her writing Speak Now alone after people doubting she was the brain behind her songwriting, 1989 after Red didn't win AOTY and she assumed it was because it wasn't cohesive enough), and some absolute misfires (ME!, which I can only assume was her attempt at brightening things up after thinking people might have thought her reputation-era vibe was too dark).  

 

I think she's really calmed down on this stuff since Lover, but seeking approval and acclaim is just part of who she is.

[Buffy]

I guess no one is an OG fan in here because everyone is overlooking Britney who is mentioned a few times in the letter.

 

I think it may be the same Britney related to her unreleased song called Me & Britney. Your Face is also one of her best unreleased songs. Scott knew the value of it.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Buffy

[What_A_Mess]

OTHs , this is Nothing that we didn’t know about before. We know she grew up with privilege, so? What do you want us to do? Stop listening to her music and start listening to your faves awful music instead? lmao 

And Swifties, just ignore that troll. Nothing you say will convince them otherwise.

 

OT:

i kinda feel bad for Scott. Reminds me of my dad in some way. Talks to much and can be embarrassing but will do anything for his kids. I’m guessing that this email leaking in the court documents and how he seems to resent Andrea in it spearheaded their divorce.

 

[FightDragonsWithMe]

14 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

My fave was poor as **** and went through audition after audition fighting among hundreds for a spot since she was a kid and was picked every time. First for a play in New York, then for the Mickey Mouse Club (singing, dancing and acting) and then for a recording contract only to become one of the most iconic performers of the 21st century. And you best believe daddy wasn't selling his mansion to buy her a contract, it was her supporting him. Rich mansion babies asking daddy to buy them a record label where they're the only act can't relate.

Like she didn't benefit looking like a blonde haired blue eyed white girl and her whole schtick being a diet Janet. 

[Jay07]

Just now, FightDragonsWithMe said:

Like she didn't benefit looking like a blonde haired blue eyed white girl and her whole schtick being a diet Janet. 

Britney isn't blonde and doesn't have blue eyes.

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Just now, Jay07 said:

Britney isn't blonde and doesn't have blue eyes.

But that's how she's sold herself to you all the GP since Baby  at least the blonde hair part lol 

[Raphy23]

The link brings me to a blank white page

[Jay07]

4 minutes ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

But that's how she's sold herself to you all the GP since Baby  at least the blonde hair part lol 

Not blonde although I have no clue what her hair color or physical appearance have to do with Taylor's dad being rich. Ironically, Taylor is naturally blonde with blue eyes 

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Just now, Jay07 said:

Not blonde although I have no clue what her hair color or physical appearance have to do with Taylor's dad being rich. Ironically, Taylor is naturally blonde with blue eyes 

Taylor's dad being rich doesn't automatically mean she was going to have a successful music career no matter what, like what's not clicking? Britney had the same privileges as Taylor and was sold as a white friendly Janet that was my only point 

[perfect blue]

1 hour ago, MissedTheTrain said:

Why are you leaving out songwriting when that's the very thing that got her discovered?

Correction - Taylor Swift was not 'discovered', she was planted. Her music was peddled to every single influential connection Scott knew and he rigged her album sales so that she would get airplay. Did you not read his email?

[FightDragonsWithMe]

I wish I could've grew up as poor as Britney Spears 

 

https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/britney-spears-childhood-home-listed-for-sale-at-12-mill/article_c3121b10-7909-11ee-b228-0b45702d4c46.amp.html

[PoisonedIvy]

6 minutes ago, Perfect Blue said:

Correction - Taylor Swift was not 'discovered', she was planted. Her music was peddled to every single influential connection Scott knew and he rigged her album sales so that she would get airplay. Did you not read his email?

Do you think other discovered artists weren’t also mailing in their demo CDs to every record label they could find the address of? Are you just upset that Scott was able to personally hand it off to some people instead of stamping an envelope and relying on postal service?  Taylor was just as discovered as any other artist 

 

Edit: he also did not rig her album sales, nowhere in the email does it indicate that. I’m assuming you fell for the lie on page one  

Edited December 30, 2023 by PoisonedIvy

[CottageHore]

3 hours ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

So then why doesn't Paris Hilton have a thriving music career or any nepotism baby? 

Because she didn’t want to be a famous singer? Did you not read what I said? I specifically said that Taylor is very talented and that people with her exact level of talent and drive don’t succeed to the same degree because they didn’t have wealthy parents to help them. I wouldn’t say Paris has the same level of songwriting expertise and musical talent as Taylor, which would probably explain why her parents’ money didn’t buy her a music career. But it did buy her a whole career nonetheless. 

[HASHTAGPOW]

[wildsidenormani]

what on earth have i just read everything from that email down to this thread

[Peak Now]

This has been out for 10+ years 

 

If y'all really think Scott "bought" Taylor a career, where is Paris Hilton's music career? She definitely has (had) more money so according to ATRL that should guarantee at least 3 AOTYs and 11 #1s.

[truthteller]

not him sending a 6 pages long email

Edited December 30, 2023 by truthteller

[wish]

A huge chunk of megastars like Taylor were raised by very wealthy families who could afford to financially and emotionally support their child's wildest dreams. Throw in some industry connections and you got yourself a massive leg up on the competition. Nothing shocking here.

 

But this is exactly why I will ALWAYS loudly celebrate artists like Rihanna, Nicki, Mariah, and Britney. Artists who literally started from poverty and built an empire despite all odds stacked against them. Their success will always be 1000x more impressive to me. 

[ImsoLOUD]

 

1 hour ago, Headlock said:

That users “point” was a whataboutism, something that my comment was not. So congratulations on being wrong in two different ways at once!

 

God doesn’t exist, just like your debate abilities. You can run along and @ someone else.

Bringing up their account being a "dupe" in response to said user giving their take on the topic of this thread is absolute whataboutism sis 

 

Maybe add a subscription to Merriam-Webster to your list of things you're planning to pray for. 

 

1 hour ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Rihanna is the “best selling female artist” to people who think singles equate to albums or tours

yes "people" such as the Guinness Book of Records?

 

Should we listen to PoisonedIvy for official data instead?  

 

 

 

 

[wastedpotential]

5 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

yes "people" such as the Guinness Book of Records?

 

Should we listen to PoisonedIvy for official data instead?  

 

Yes, the beer book. According to every official industry source, Taylor is lightyears ahead in terms of album units and is rapidly closing the gap in singles units. 

[perfect blue]

You look so DUMB using Paris Hilton as proof that generational wealth can't buy someone a music career when it got her signed to Warner and scored her a top 20 hit. 

[GraceRandolph]

13 minutes ago, Perfect Blue said:

You look so DUMB using Paris Hilton as proof that generational wealth can't buy someone a music career when it got her signed to Warner and scored her a top 20 hit. 

Right? Even using Noah Cyrus when she has hundred of millions of streams.  

[Communion]

1 hour ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

I wish I could've grew up as poor as Britney Spears 

 

https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/britney-spears-childhood-home-listed-for-sale-at-12-mill/article_c3121b10-7909-11ee-b228-0b45702d4c46.amp.html

Sis, I would sit this one out. You called a 3k foot upscale colonial home a "farm" yet seemingly ignore that Britney's childhood home sold for $275k in 2021, essentially 1/4th of the value of Taylor's childhood home  Let alone no one refers to Britney as having grown up poor because Jamie did not have a well-paying job; of course he had a job, and they would have lived an especially comfortably middle class life in rural Kentwood if he was a normal father (rural isn't synonymous for poor, though a welder and construction worker has many signifiers that make such jobs different than a bank executive).

 

Britney's upbringing is described as rough, as growing up poor, and as unstable because her father was a violent alcoholic whose self-destructive behaviors meant he - with Lynne already being his 2nd marriage - increasingly found himself out of work and filing for bankruptcy, especially after Britney's birth. With Britney's mom (her only job being in child care) essentially deciding to push Britney into music as a second form of income for the family to make up for her spiraling husband.

 

Both got into entertainment as children, but an interesting and possibly meaningful distinction is that Britney essentially became the breadwinner of her home the moment she landed things like the New Mickey Mouse Club, while Taylor's growing popularity in the Nashville circuit didn't supersede her banker father's dominion over their home. The differences in their family's finances (yes, much due to Jamie Spears' choices) largely meant that Taylor's family could help her pursue music as a way to achieve her dreams, while Britney seemingly was pushed to achieve her family's financial dreams.

 

There are a lot of actually interesting racial, political, religious and cultural aspects in the reality of the Spears as a white middle class family constantly fighting slipping into poverty in what is a historically racist town, the way the privilege of their whiteness intersected at times with their growing poverty, and the way all these realities manifested in dysfunction (her own father himself a victim to a physically abusive father and left abandoned by a mother who killed herself after losing another child just days after giving birth). 

 

Of course having supportive parents with successful careers is nothing to hold against Taylor, but you're similarly acting in bad faith needlessly attacking Britney for things you seem not extremely informed on with regards to what her actual life and upbringing was.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Communion