celeb news Email from ‘Scott Swift’ (Taylor Swift’s Dad) to Taylor’s old manager in 2005 leaks

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, Redstreak said:

So then what do you want us to do? Are people not acknowledging her wealth enough for you? Is she not donating enough for you? Like when you just throw out statements people project what they want onto it. So be direct, what do you and @Static Shock want us to do with the information being discussed

They think we have an issue admitting Taylor benefits from white privilege and generational wealth. Which we don’t.

[Redstreak]

2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

They think we have an issue admitting Taylor benefits from white privilege and generational wealth. Which we don’t.

Her dad literally was a high up at Merrill lynch, who is pretending she’s from backwoods Kentucky 

[Static Shock]

4 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

The Beatles are primarily white legends but they are also the most successful act in recording music history, regardless of racial barriers. Us black folks can *not* care about them or their music all day long but that doesn’t take that impact away from them. As the most successful act in music history, they have influenced generations upon generations of artists after them.

 

The same is going to be true of Taylor as she is on a path to become the most successful solo artist of all time after MJ. White people get privileges black people don’t but that’s just a lack of disadvantage to your beginnings, not a guaranteed spot at the finish line.
 

I don’t think the Beatles music is good enough to warrant their success but I’m just one person, why would I act like my opinion holds more weight than that of hundreds of millions of others? The same applies to Taylor, MJ, Madonna, any other legend that has their detractors. 

There's nothing impressive about a mediocre white band being popular during a time when the music industry was actively and visibly working to suppress black talent. 

 

Taylor will need to re-release a lot more albums to catch up to MJ. She hasn't even surpassed Rihanna. 

FraudMasters also shows Rihanna as the best-selling female of the 21st century even though they came out and tried to say otherwise. 

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, Static Shock said:

There's nothing impressive about a mediocre white band being popular during a time when the music industry was actively and visibly working to suppress black talent. 

 

Taylor will need to re-release a lot more albums to catch up to MJ. She hasn't even surpassed Rihanna. 

FraudMasters also shows Rihanna as the best-selling female of the 21st century even though they came out and tried to say otherwise. 

Taylor has a lot more upward momentum than Rihanna right now, and Taylor has always moved more albums (both pure sales and units overall) than Rihanna  But that’s not even what I’m here to argue 

 

The circumstances that lead to white people’s success at the expense of POC’s lesser opportunities is a tragedy, for sure. But it doesn’t really negate the reality we end up in. The Beatles ARE the most successful artists of all time whether that’s “fair” or not (it’s not), and their impact is felt regardless of our personal feelings on the matter. We live in a racially unjust world but I’m not about to sit here and deny that reality just because I disagree with it. 

[Static Shock]

11 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Taylor has a lot more upward momentum than Rihanna right now, and Taylor has always moved more albums (both pure sales and units overall) than Rihanna  But that’s not even what I’m here to argue 

 

The circumstances that lead to white people’s success at the expense of POC’s lesser opportunities is a tragedy, for sure. But it doesn’t really negate the reality we end up in. The Beatles ARE the most successful artists of all time whether that’s “fair” or not (it’s not), and their impact is felt regardless of our personal feelings on the matter. We live in a racially unjust world but I’m not about to sit here and deny that reality just because I disagree with it. 

Correction: Taylor is currently re-releasing more albums than Rihanna and on tour. Not sure what you mean by more upward momentum. Rihanna has long-term success and she hasn't released an album since 2016. 

 

And just like Ray Charles, I'm not going to congratulate a mediocre white band for having success in a music industry that has a preference for whiteness and was actively working to suppress black talent. The Beatles owe everything they were to Little Richard, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, and countless other black people. 

 

The Beatles get exposed as extremely mediocre if you take away the primary "impact" they have - numbers. 

Edited December 29, 2023 by Static Shock

[John Slayne]

[FightDragonsWithMe]

1 hour ago, liquiddiamonds said:

No one can deny the impact of generational wealth, but that’s not all it takes, much less to produce a Taylor Swift. Gracie Abrams is richer than Taylor and she’s yet to chart an album inside the top 50 in the US and score a mainstream hit. I’m sure her father has fueled a lot of money into her career and she was even opening for Taylor with celebrities attending and namedropping her and it did nothing for her career. She’s much smaller than Billie and Olivia, even Sabrina.

Or why isn't Clairo smashing too if it was that easy 

[MissedTheTrain]

2 hours ago, Jay07 said:

I'm talking about the mentality of "I sold my 2 million mansion so I could move to Nashville and buy 30k copies of my daughter's album who can't sing, can't dance and can't act so I can kickstart her career" when thousands of other infinitely more talented kids can't follow their dreams because they don't have a wealth manager dad. Also, I find his greedy, callous attitude has been passed right down to his daughter who has only ever had wealth as a goal and uses a private jet to go to the store without a care in the world. But frankly, rich people will rich people. It's the broke success stans eating ramen living in their mothers basement celebrating that egregious excess because they don't realize the 1% would let them die without a second thought for some extra profit. 

Why are you leaving out songwriting when that's the very thing that got her discovered?  I don't get why some of you act like that's not a very important talent, especially in Country music.  That's her bread and butter, and it's how she got started.  She didn't need to know how to act, she didn't need to know how to dance.  Her voice was fine enough at the time to sing the songs she had been writing.

[FOCK]

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I am in the top 1% of all brokers at the most prestigious investment firm in the world.

 

 

[Jay07]

13 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

Why are you leaving out songwriting when that's the very thing that got her discovered?  I don't get why some of you act like that's not a very important talent, especially in Country music.  That's her bread and butter, and it's how she got started.  She didn't need to know how to act, she didn't need to know how to dance.  Her voice was fine enough at the time to sing the songs she had been writing.

Because the most important qualities for a performer are singing and dancing. Songwriting will get you signed to a publishing contract not as an artist. Just ask Lady Gaga who had to fight tooth and nail to keep her songs for herself and didn't have daddy sending screeds to her manager. It's clear that her being the only artist signed to an upstart label and her dad's close relation to the label owner (and partial ownership of the label? Not clear on the details) were factors in her being signed as an artist as she didn't have any obvious qualities to be one.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Jay07

[Static Shock]

2 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

Why are you leaving out songwriting when that's the very thing that got her discovered?  I don't get why some of you act like that's not a very important talent, especially in Country music.  That's her bread and butter, and it's how she got started.  She didn't need to know how to act, she didn't need to know how to dance.  Her voice was fine enough at the time to sing the songs she had been writing.

Her singing voice is NOT fine. Taylor has a mediocre voice. Her songwriting reads like a 12-year old white girl's diary. I wish y'all would stop pretending that Taylor is serving Missy Elliot, Mariah Carey, etc. w/ her songwriting. 

 

[ImsoLOUD]

44 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

They think we have an issue admitting Taylor benefits from white privilege and generational wealth. Which we don’t.

Well when  @Static Shock pointed that out @Headlock instantly rushed in to call them a dupe as if that negated their point. So I think it’s fair to say that some of you do have an issue with this truth. 

[Headlock]

8 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Because the most important qualities for a performer are singing and dancing. Songwriting will get you signed to a publishing contract not as an artist. Just ask Lady Gaga who had to fight tooth and nail to keep her songs for herself and didn't have daddy sending screeds to her manager. It's clear that her being the only artist signed to an upstart label and her dad's close relation to the label owner (and partial ownership of the label? Not clear on the details) were factors in her being signed as an artist as she didn't have any obvious qualities to be one.

This is 100% false, especially in country music, which is where Taylor got her start. Nashville is born on songwriters becoming artists themselves.

[Headlock]

5 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Well when  @Static Shock pointed that out @Headlock instantly rushed in to call them a dupe as if that negated their point. So I think it’s fair to say that some of you do have an issue with this truth. 

The way you stay in my mentions 

There is no use going back and forth with that user, as much of us already have when they used their former account @Dill Green.

 

Praying 2024 brings R9 because y’all need something to occupy yourselves.

[PoisonedIvy]

36 minutes ago, Static Shock said:

Correction: Taylor is currently re-releasing more albums than Rihanna and on tour. Not sure what you mean by more upward momentum. Rihanna has long-term success and she hasn't released an album since 2016. 

 

And just like Ray Charles, I'm not going to congratulate a mediocre white band for having success in a music industry that has a preference for whiteness and was actively working to suppress black talent. The Beatles owe everything they were to Little Richard, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, and countless other black people. 

 

The Beatles get exposed as extremely mediocre if you take away the primary "impact" they have - numbers. 

Even before the rerecordings Taylor had always moved more albums, pure and SPS, than Rihanna. You can chalk it up to white privilege if you want but I chalk that up to Rihanna’s albums being mostly filler outside of the singles. I’m not acting like Rihanna has no momentum but you’re remedial if you can’t admit that Taylor has MORE upward momentum, whether that’s because of her whiteness or the rerecordings I couldn’t give a damn — she has the most upward momentum of any artist in the music industry currently and that doesn’t go away just because you don’t like her music  

 

Im not asking you to praise The Beatles. But I’m also not about to keep debating with someone who can’t separate subjective opinion from objective truth. Music can be mediocre to 1 person and phenomenal to 1,000 others. We’re all entitled to our beliefs and I’m not here to change yours.

But I believe my original point is that Taylor can be “the most successful artist of this generation” without having to permeate black culture. It was true for the Beatles, it was true for Elvis, and it’s true for Taylor.  You can argue with the wall all day long about the mediocrity or the supremacy of any of those artists catalogues but that doesn’t change them being the biggest artists of all time, whether we like the circumstances that got them there or not!
 

1 minute ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Well when  @Static Shock pointed that out @Headlock instantly rushed in to call them a dupe as if that negated their point. So I think it’s fair to say that some of you do have an issue with this truth. 

The devil is the author of confusion and I’m not about to sit here and assume something that might not even be true

 

@Headlock Can you clear the air? Are you aware of Taylor’s privilege and wealth? Or are you incapable of admitting that? The people would like to know.

[FightDragonsWithMe]

The I Bet You Think About Me being used as a reference when that's not even on the OG Red 

[Mean Trees]

I cannot believe people are trying to victimize a woman who had her daddy literally fund and launch off a very lucrative career that has lasted nearly 20 years.

[Headlock]

2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Even before the rerecordings Taylor had always moved more albums, pure and SPS, than Rihanna. You can chalk it up to white privilege if you want but I chalk that up to Rihanna’s albums being mostly filler outside of the singles. I’m not acting like Rihanna has no momentum but you’re remedial if you can’t admit that Taylor has MORE upward momentum, whether that’s because of her whiteness or the rerecordings I couldn’t give a damn — she has the most upward momentum of any artist in the music industry currently and that doesn’t go away just because you don’t like her music  

 

Im not asking you to praise The Beatles. But I’m also not about to keep debating with someone who can’t separate subjective opinion from objective truth. Music can be mediocre to 1 person and phenomenal to 1,000 others. We’re all entitled to our beliefs and I’m not here to change yours.

But I believe my original point is that Taylor can be “the most successful artist of this generation” without having to permeate black culture. It was true for the Beatles, it was true for Elvis, and it’s true for Taylor.  You can argue with the wall all day long about the mediocrity or the supremacy of any of those artists catalogues but that doesn’t change them being the biggest artists of all time, whether we like the circumstances that got them there or not!
 

The devil is the author of confusion and I’m not about to sit here and assume something that might not even be true

 

@Headlock Can you clear the air? Are you aware of Taylor’s privilege and wealth? Or are you incapable of admitting that? The people would like to know.

Sis, you are interacting with one of the most obsessed OTHs on this website 

I have never once negated Taylor’s insane privilege or wealth, but I am not interested in arguing over straw man arguments, especially with users who are arguing in bad faith.

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Taylor has never not once denied where she came from or where she grew up that's why she's still here thriving but yeah her fans are 12 yo girls with Peter Pan syndrome or whatever 

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, Headlock said:

Sis, you are interacting with one of the most obsessed OTHs on this website 

I have never once negated Taylor’s insane privilege or wealth, but I am not interested in arguing over straw man arguments, especially with users who are arguing in bad faith.

Sometimes you really gotta simplify things for people, thank you for your input, I didn’t expect otherwise from you but others are a bit more stubborn 

[Static Shock]

3 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Even before the rerecordings Taylor had always moved more albums, pure and SPS, than Rihanna. You can chalk it up to white privilege if you want but I chalk that up to Rihanna’s albums being mostly filler outside of the singles. I’m not acting like Rihanna has no momentum but you’re remedial if you can’t admit that Taylor has MORE upward momentum, whether that’s because of her whiteness or the rerecordings I couldn’t give a damn — she has the most upward momentum of any artist in the music industry currently and that doesn’t go away just because you don’t like her music  

 

Im not asking you to praise The Beatles. But I’m also not about to keep debating with someone who can’t separate subjective opinion from objective truth. Music can be mediocre to 1 person and phenomenal to 1,000 others. We’re all entitled to our beliefs and I’m not here to change yours.

But I believe my original point is that Taylor can be “the most successful artist of this generation” without having to permeate black culture. It was true for the Beatles, it was true for Elvis, and it’s true for Taylor.  You can argue with the wall all day long about the mediocrity or the supremacy of any of those artists catalogues but that doesn’t change them being the biggest artists of all time, whether we like the circumstances that got them there or not!
 

The devil is the author of confusion and I’m not about to sit here and assume something that might not even be true

 

@Headlock Can you clear the air? Are you aware of Taylor’s privilege and wealth? Or are you incapable of admitting that? The people would like to know.

Rihanna is the best-selling female artist of the 21st century, NOT Taylor Swift. Period. And she's still outperforming her peers and new artists even though she hasn't released an album in nearly a decade. 

 

The Beatles, like Taylor, only have numbers b/c they're white in a society that has a preference for whiteness. Take away the numbers and they get exposed as mediocre. 

 

 

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Taylor had her parents DRIVING her to radio stations & begging them to play her songs but yeah she didn't work for this or want a music career at all  

[ImsoLOUD]

Just now, Headlock said:

The way you stay in my mentions 

There is no use going back and forth with that user, as much of us already have when they used their former account @Dill Green.

 

Praying 2024 brings R9 because y’all need something to occupy yourselves.

More whataboutism  still irrelevant to that users original point.

 

and while you’re praying make sure you ask your God to bless you with some better deflection tactics too

 

[Static Shock]

3 minutes ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

Taylor has never not once denied where she came from or where she grew up that's why she's still here thriving but yeah her fans are 12 yo girls with Peter Pan syndrome or whatever 

I literally posted proof of Taylor downplaying her wealth. You Taylor stans are extremely delusional. And it's not uncommon for mediocre rich people to delude themselves into thinking they achieved things through pure hard work, talent and merit. 

 

I Bet You Think About Me (Taylor’s Version)

[Verse 3: Taylor Swift]
You grew up in a silver-spoon gated community
Glamorous, shiny, bright Beverly Hills
I was raised on a farm, no, it wasn't a mansion
Just livin' room dancin' and kitchen table bills

 

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Sis, you are interacting with one of the most obsessed OTHs on this website 

I have never once negated Taylor’s insane privilege or wealth, but I am not interested in arguing over straw man arguments, especially with users who are arguing in bad faith.

Let alone considering that the user's first post here (the one that was oh so reminiscent of the good sis Dill Green) was that Taylor's career was funded with slavery money, which just isn't true. His father was a banker and so was his grandfather, but his grandfather apparently started in the mail room in the 1890s and worked his way up over decades 

 

He certainly benefitted from the discriminatory laws of the time but bankers working in mid-sized towns outside Philadelphia in the 1930s aren't likely to be managing a lot of money from Jim Crow profits, because that's just now how financial flows worked at the time