news Pro-Palestine student activist in Germany found dead; police won't confirm his death

[Communion]

 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Communion

[Gov Hooka]

May he rest in peace. 
 

Germany and Israel are both Nazi countries 

[Peroxide]

Utterly horrible. RIP

[Taylena]

Maybe the police couldn't confirm this person's identity yet. Not everything is a conspiracy against Palestinians. 

[Jotham]

According to added readers' context on one of the tweets:

 

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Hamburg police has issued an official statement denying the story:

 

 

Jordanian foreign affairs ministry didn't mention anything about a murder:

 

 

[ZIVERT]

20 minutes ago, Taylena said:

Maybe the police couldn't confirm this person's identity yet. Not everything is a conspiracy against Palestinians. 

It's because it's not actually true. The Hamburg Police said themselves that there wasn't a homicide, so there's nothing to investigate:

 

"Quds News Network" constantly spreads fake news with the purpose of rage-baiting, ranking low on the Media Bias/Fact Check scale linked here. It's interesting that this "news" story – posted without any official/trusted sources backing up the claim, by the way – is so readily believed, but the article posted on ATRL days ago about a Hamas-affiliated terror cell being raided in Germany (with the German federal public prosecutor's office being the one to announce it) was actively denied and branded as fake news.

 

But rah rah, West bad and can't be trusted.

[Luckitty]

his cousin said he was Palestinian, many jordanian citizens are Palestinian refugees who were ethnically cleansed

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

It's because it's not actually true. The Hamburg Police said themselves that there wasn't a homicide, so there's nothing to investigate:

 

"Quds News Network" constantly spreads fake news with the purpose of rage-baiting, ranking low on the Media Bias/Fact Check scale linked here. It's interesting that this "news" story – posted without any official/trusted sources backing up the claim, by the way – is so readily believed, but the article posted on ATRL days ago about a Hamas-affiliated terror cell being raided in Germany (with the German federal public prosecutor's office being the one to announce it) was actively denied and branded as fake news.

 

But rah rah, West bad and can't be trusted.

are you saying that his family are lying? 

[Delirious]

43 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

It's because it's not actually true. The Hamburg Police said themselves that there wasn't a homicide, so there's nothing to investigate:

 

"Quds News Network" constantly spreads fake news with the purpose of rage-baiting, ranking low on the Media Bias/Fact Check scale linked here. It's interesting that this "news" story – posted without any official/trusted sources backing up the claim, by the way – is so readily believed, but the article posted on ATRL days ago about a Hamas-affiliated terror cell being raided in Germany (with the German federal public prosecutor's office being the one to announce it) was actively denied and branded as fake news.

 

But rah rah, West bad and can't be trusted.

I mean how could Germans even have access to guns...the math isn't mathing 💀

[loveisdead9582]

5 minutes ago, Delirious said:

I mean how could Germans even have access to guns...the math isn't mathing 💀

Legit question here - does Germany not allow guns at all for civilians? Idk about the motive but his death is tragic either way. May he rest in peace. Is it possible that his death was just a random tragedy? Or has it been confirmed that it is related to his political views? Again, just asking because I don’t know and want info. 

[Delirious]

3 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said:

Legit question here - does Germany not allow guns at all for civilians? Idk about the motive but his death is tragic either way. May he rest in peace. Is it possible that his death was just a random tragedy? Or has it been confirmed that it is related to his political views? Again, just asking because I don’t know and want info. 

They allow it but it's much much much stricter than America. You're not allowed to use one for private self defence. Only approx 1.5% of Germany have ownership to a gun

 

Article on gun control in Germany: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Germany

Edited December 24, 2023 by Delirious

[Delirious]

28 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

his cousin said he was Palestinian, many jordanian citizens are Palestinian refugees who were ethnically cleansed

 

 

 

are you saying that his family are lying? 

Well i mean yea basically? If someone got shot in Germany it'd be worldwide news especially when it doesn't happen a lot in Germany.

[Delirious]

"His university friends relayed to his mother that he was shot in the head twice - execution style by another student at his university. They believe it was in response to his posts in support of Palestine."

 

I'd like to see the university + uni friends back up their claims

[loveisdead9582]

4 minutes ago, Delirious said:

"His university friends relayed to his mother that he was shot in the head twice - execution style by another student at his university. They believe it was in response to his posts in support of Palestine."

 

I'd like to see the university + uni friends back up their claims

Idk what the truth is and I’m not agreeing with anything that hasn’t been officially released, but I do need to say that feelings aren’t facts.
 

Unless it’s proven that it was motivated by his views, there’s every chance that it was just a senseless tragedy. Sometimes it’s easier to believe that death was motivated by something instead of admitting that it was simply a senseless tragedy.

 

Dealing with a very unexpected loss myself and a lot of people are trying to jump to conclusions when everything says that it is simply a super shitty situation. if evidence comes to light that supports these claims then absolutely punish the murdering ******* accordingly (punish him/her/them regardless but especially if it’s for the alleged reasons). Until then… feelings aren’t facts. 

[Delirious]

7 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said:

Idk what the truth is and I’m not agreeing with anything that hasn’t been officially released, but I do need to say that feelings aren’t facts.
 

Unless it’s proven that it was motivated by his views, there’s every chance that it was just a senseless tragedy. Sometimes it’s easier to believe that death was motivated by something instead of admitting that it was simply a senseless tragedy.

 

Dealing with a very unexpected loss myself and a lot of people are trying to jump to conclusions when everything says that it is simply a super shitty situation. if evidence comes to light that supports these claims then absolutely punish the murdering ******* accordingly (punish him/her/them regardless but especially if it’s for the alleged reasons). Until then… feelings aren’t facts. 

I agree, if the person actually got shot because of the said reason then the killer should get maximum sentence but as of right now, it's fake news.

[ZIVERT]

52 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

his cousin said he was Palestinian, many jordanian citizens are Palestinian refugees who were ethnically cleansed

 

 

 

are you saying that his family are lying? 

Considering there was a mass shooting in Hamburg earlier this year where 6 people were killed for their religious beliefs under "normal" circumstances and it made worldwide news, I think that a politically/racially motivated murder while there is a war in Gaza would be plastered all over the news if it was legitimate. The Hamburg police say they have no news of a homicide, and the Foreign Ministry of Jordan have announced they are investigating a death of a Jordanian citizen in Hamburg (RIP), with no mention of homicide/cause of death either.

 

Rather than jump to assumptions - which are being made specifically to make people angry and react in the heat of the moment - let's wait and see. If news does come out that he was murdered for speaking out about Palestine, the murderer should 100% be condemned and punished under the fullest extent of the law, and people should speak out about it. But as of right now, there isn't enough official information to back up the claims being made. And let's not lie to ourselves, there is definitely a motivation behind getting ahead of any potential investigations.

Edited December 24, 2023 by ZIVERT

[Gaia]

54 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

his cousin said he was Palestinian, many jordanian citizens are Palestinian refugees who were ethnically cleansed

 

 

 

are you saying that his family are lying? 

Not every tweet you see on the internet is true. Like girl  Post more credible sources than a random tweet

[Bosque]

The Jordanian source doesn’t mention anything about murder or a shooting either, just that they are following up on his “death”. Which is literally the job of Hamburg police to investigate and follow up on. 
 

I don’t expect that most ATRL users would understand a tweet in Arabic, but it’s certainly odd that threads like this with no information or outright false information and sourced with half-sentences by unverified private citizens on Twitter are allowed, but the well-sourced story about arrested Hamas terrorists in various European countries was immediately derided as obviously fake and folded in with the Israel-Palestine mega thread. 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Dephira

[IBeMe]

may he rest in peace. The amount of Arabs being killed in the west is insane. The kid in america, the three guys shot in Michigan, this...etc....it's horrific. 

[Zaram]

Communion spreading possible fake news to fit his agenda? Color me shocked

[Luckitty]

1 hour ago, Gaia said:

Not every tweet you see on the internet is true. Like girl  Post more credible sources than a random tweet

so his family aren't credible?

 

i bet if they were white you'd believe them immediately 

 

also it's funny how the usual anti-arab atrlers came here running to doubt this story 

[Pendulum]

Fake or not, the NaZionists notion still stands

Edited December 24, 2023 by Pendulum

[ICLDXU4HS]

So, apparently this happened on Tuesday at a gun club. He wasn't found dead, he was put on life support and died at the hospital later this week. I'd assume it was most likely an accident given the fact that it happened at a gun club.

 

https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/hamburg-mitte/article240847780/Person-erleidet-im-Hanseatic-Gun-Club-Schussverletzung.html

[Delirious]

How is this thread still open? And why isn't @Communion responding to anything? 

[Communion]

11 hours ago, Jotham said:

"Hamburg police deny reports of Barakat's death"

Yes, that's literally the point of why this is gaining attention online and even noted in the thread title.

 

That this man was shot on the Tuesday, the 19th, that the man's family claim they still have not heard from German officials as of the 23rd (when his family and friends started sharing the story online), while also being told that German officials won't have information for them until the 27th due to the holiday despite the Jordan foreign ministry relaying to them their son's death was due to gunshot. 

 

These are literally the details that Al Ghab reported on when the story first spread on Jordan media sites - the he was shot Tuesday after meeting up with friends.

 

The family's fears that the police are not being open about what happened is compounded by how quickly people were to claim that the initial reporting was "fake news" - even on here (!) - despite the initial reports being confirmed.

 

"There's no way he was shot. No one owes guns in Hamburg!" -> Confirmed to have been killed by gunshot to the head!

"This would have been covered in the news if it actually happened" -> It was! Under the label of "anonymous man shot being investigated at gun club"!

 

So now the *actual* issue is that the family say they believe he was shot by a friend and German police claim it was suicide - after initially denying his death completely. 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Communion

[Zefierce]

Police confirmed this is a hoax, next.