base talk Do women in pop music only exist because of messy gays?

[MidnightsAtPeace]

Women do not exist to impress a bunch of gay men who will never stop thinking the world revolves around them.  

Edited December 20, 2023 by MidnightsAtPeace

[Gorjesspazze9]

They exist because they have a passion for thier work & to be paid for thier services like any other job. 

[vale9001]

Female Artists can last more than 5 years actually have more female fans than gay men.

Women grew up with them and their life change like them. They don't abandom them cause they make children and are not thin anymore, like the basic gays do.

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by vale9001

[Odette Violet]

That's a very main character syndrome take. Answer is no. 

[Revolution]

no!

 

 

[Heartbreak Prince]

Messy gays tend to only stan untalented artists like Charli XCX, Slayyyter (?) etc, so no.

[bjorn]

Ask nicki minaj 

[AintNoOtherMe]

Nobody cares about the gays. The GP decides who makes it and who not. 

Edited December 20, 2023 by AintNoOtherMe

[vale9001]

11 minutes ago, MidnightsAtPeace said:

Women do not exist to impress a bunch of gay men who will never stop thinking the world revolves around them.  

Most pop girls from the post MTV pop machine are build by male executives for the male gaze. 

It's two face of the same medal: 1) oversexualization has been the most common trait in the female pop scene cause with that you get men...straight men owning radios and Networks like to have control (they can decide if you have success or not) on a sexy young woman, gay men like that kind of thing cause It's the "expression of free feminity" they would like for themselves.

2) a female musician to be credibile has to be "rock" and mature and not "girly" cause that is silly.

See how labels marketed the Avril vs Britney in early 2000s.  Britney was the silly female, Avril the trying to be serious and not Pinky female artist. 

 

 

When women are young they are oversexualized (so for straight and gay men) and girly and Pink (so you get women too).

 

At some point you have a problem: you have to betray women cause for the males of the industry girly Is weak and a guilty pleasure, so to became mature you have to became "not girly". Being for girls Is good only when the artist is young, and if you Always stay on a very feminine symbolism you will never became a serious musician. So there is always the "good girl gone bad" phase where female stars loose what should matter more than men: most of their female audience.

 

One of the most savviest move of Taylor Swift She never played this card and always has stayed girly claiming that's doesn't make her less serious.

Beyoncé at some point really make her careers about herself and her experience as woman. Savy move too. Black women are the real target makes her relevant in the culture.

 

Billie and Olivia have to play in the same way to stay relevant. Knowing women is their real target.

For someone like Dua Is complicates cause the reason she's big It's radios liking she's sexy and gay men liking basically the same thing. 

 

 

 

[ImpressMeMuch]

gay men are still men and that means they are at risk of being mysoginistic and trying to steal womens credit 

 

signed,

gay man

 

EDIT: tho there is some nuance here, I didn't catch the post shared in OP which I think it moreso attempting to speak to how modern pop owes many thanks to the queer community as inspiration. 

Edited December 20, 2023 by ImpressMeMuch

[shyboi]

1 hour ago, vale9001 said:

 

See how labels marketed the Avril vs Britney in early 2000s.  Britney was the silly female

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you on almost everything except on this. Britney was not the "silly" female, she was sexy, fearless, empowered, maybe vulnerable at times but most of the time fierce and confident. Never "silly"

[BANKS]

can we close this thread? i’m going back to sleep…

Edited December 20, 2023 by BANKS