naval23 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) And if so, did it smash just as hard as Frozen did? (#2 on the US Hot 100, #2 on the European Hot 100 for 11 weeks behind Celine's "My Heart Will Go On", 5th biggest smash of Europe of 1998, #1 UK smash) Edited December 17, 2023 by naval23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastlane Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 I will say only one word: Roar. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fememeist Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 I will say only one word: cardigan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelato Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABeyBraith Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Random but did All Saints sample this on their song ‘Pure Shores’ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Odyssey. Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Yes, Medellín Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryceG Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) I was a teenager when Frozen came out. It was great but hardly risky. At the time, female pop artists were being pushed into avant-garde and suggestive sound palettes with elements of trance and world music, if they didn't naturally lend themselves to the singer-songwriter vibe. It's a really well accomplished song but it wasn't too far removed from what Kylie Minogue, All Saints, Annie Lennox, etc. were doing at the time. Edited December 17, 2023 by BryceG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatito Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 maybe it was too ahead of its time for some people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryceG Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Actual risk that didn't pay off at the time. Kylie walked so Madonna could run. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Whitney Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbathinganimal Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 was extremely risky for her to release a song this **** after the goodwill she built up with ASIB 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev8 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cowboy Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 How is Frozen risky? It sounds like a hit straight away. Also before releasing RoL, Madonna was at the lowest point of her career after Erotica and Bedtime Stories underperformed and alienated most of the GP, so it’s not like it was a risky move either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkLover1989 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Cardigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Space Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, ABeyBraith said: Random but did All Saints sample this on their song ‘Pure Shores’ ? No, but it's produced by the same producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punisher Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) and bigger that frozen Edited December 17, 2023 by punisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternium Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 39 minutes ago, BryceG said: I was a teenager when Frozen came out. It was great but hardly risky. At the time, female pop artists were being pushed into avant-garde and suggestive sound palettes with elements of trance and world music, if they didn't naturally lend themselves to the singer-songwriter vibe. It's a really well accomplished song but it wasn't too far removed from what Kylie Minogue, All Saints, Annie Lennox, etc. were doing at the time. None of these were mainstream artists with thriving careers in North America, South America and Asia. Madonna definitely had a lot more to lose and was more at the forefront for a lot more countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blown away Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Although it wasn't as big as Frozen was, it was still a decent hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XtiRih Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Yes but it didn't smash as hard as Frozen on the charts Dirrty and Accelerate, although Dirrty was bigger in the UK than Frozen. Was it worth it? Hell yeah, these are her two best lead singles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagol88 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, BryceG said: Actual risk that didn't pay off at the time. Kylie walked so Madonna could run. Going from material girl and into the groove to Live To Tell is as risky as this back in the 80s but okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroonx Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Why is "frozen" considered risky is my question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Eternium said: Madonna definitely had a lot more to lose If she already had a thriving career, what would she have to lose? The bigger you are, the better you can endure flops, unlike smaller acts who get promptly dropped if they underperform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReH2o Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternium Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, ithinkheknowsoutsold said: If she already had a thriving career, what would she have to lose? The bigger you are, the better you can endure flops, unlike smaller acts who get promptly dropped if they underperform. Your label relies on you more heavily when you’re a flagship artist. Kylie Minogue bombing in the U.S. is no different than Carly Rae Jepsen bombing - it’s expected and the label plans for it. But a major artist like Madonna bombing would put the label in shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyboi Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Toxic was risky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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