base talk Fantano: 1989 (TV) among most overrated albums of 2023

[Alongoria13]

Spilled

 

[AxelFox]

8 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

Both 1989 and Red were top 20 (#15 and #16) in the Metacritic decade end aggregate list. 

 

In the list you checked, Red is #31. 

I didn't know Metacritic did decade end lists? If so I'd like a link and see the methodology used.

 

As for the actual aggregated list, to claim Taylor's swift albums 'stomped' on albums with scores in the 90s is simply false. 
 

It's very obvious the high scores she's getting nowadays are more related to the narrative around her rather than the quality of the music itself. 

[AxelFox]

11 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

Metacritic made their own decade end list and both RED and 1989 made the top 20.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20230209093431/https://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-albums-of-the-decade-2010s

 

And this was during the panned Loser era before she built all the critic's goodwill.

Thanks.

 

So still below a plethora of albums with 90+ scores. 
 

 

[WildHeart]

12 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

As for the actual aggregated list, to claim Taylor's swift albums 'stomped' on albums with scores in the 90s is simply false. 
 

 

8 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

So still below a plethora of albums with 90+ scores. 

+90 albums

Above 1989 and Red - 6

Below 1989 and Red - 14

 

So 1989 and Red both stomped majority of albums with +90 score as @Miss Americanaclaimed

 

15 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

It's very obvious the high scores she's getting nowadays are more related to the narrative around her rather than the quality of the music itself. 

That doesn't make sense when 1989 and Red both ended up very high on decade end lists last decade. 

 

Does your claim have any argument to it or is it just how you feel? 

[Richie.Valdez]

The Scooter’s version of 1989 is superior. TV is like a karaoke version

[Redstreak]

2 hours ago, Draper. said:

He’s right. Taylor’s rerecordings are cheap cash grabs except for Fearless and the Red Vault. Red is unnecessary, the poppier cuts sound awful. Speak Now kills the teen joy from the OG. And 1989 TV sounds flat compared to the original productions. The Vault tracks sound nothing like the actual album either.

Tell us more scooter Braun 

[Kimi]

and hes right? its kinda funny to see so many people lying to themselves that they like TV more than OG

[AxelFox]

10 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

 

+90 albums

Above 1989 and Red - 6

Below 1989 and Red - 14

 

So 1989 and Red both stomped majority of albums with +90 score as @Miss Americanaclaimed

 

That doesn't make sense when 1989 and Red both ended up very high on decade end lists last decade. 

 

Does your claim have any argument to it or is it just how you feel? 

Well they didn't end up 'very high' on decade end lists. That Metacritic list gives the same amount of points regardless of placement, with only a 0.5 difference between a top10 and top20 position. 
 

Hence why she fared a lot worse on AOTY who has a more elaborate grading system to differentiate albums that actually rank 'high'. That is my argument.
 

But if a deleted & archived list makes you feel better about your claim instead of a published & available one then by all means proceed with your delusions. 

[Wolf Alice]

34 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

plethora

Might wanna look up what that word means 

[BryceG]

Dear OP:

 

You can't come for Taylor over commercials...

 

You can't come for Taylor over mainstream critics...

 

You can't come for Taylor over the general public reception...

 

Why did you think this would work?

 

It makes you look cheap and deluded.

[LoveInStereo]

44 minutes ago, Price of Fame said:

fantano is an actual critic, ajay is just a random who couldn't speak critically on music if her life depended on it  

And the distinction means what? She’s a listener & he’s a failed musician? Her opinions are more in line with how a well adjusted person hears music. Everything he hears is experienced through a bias of jaded bitterness. She just enjoys music. The only pop stars he purports to enjoy are ones he sees as underdogs. It wasn't until poptimism was widespread he even pretended to like artists of the genre. I wish he’d be real & just admit he doesn’t enjoy pop, only heady, pretentious bs that tries to be edgy & deep

[fa77ot]

he spilled

[LoveInStereo]

22 minutes ago, Kimi said:

and hes right? its kinda funny to see so many people lying to themselves that they like TV more than OG

1989 was slammed at the time by techies for lacking dynamics, over-compression & being mixed too loud. Now it’s been tweaked to fix that prob & people are claiming the originals were perfect? Ppl hating on the TVs are mostly just being contrarian pick me’s. Dude didn’t even like the original album!

Edited December 17, 2023 by LoveInStereo

[WildHeart]

35 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

Well they didn't end up 'very high' on decade end lists. That Metacritic list gives the same amount of points regardless of placement, with only a 0.5 difference between a top10 and top20 position. 
 

Hence why she fared a lot worse on AOTY who has a more elaborate grading system to differentiate albums that actually rank 'high'. That is my argument.
 

But if a deleted & archived list makes you feel better about your claim instead of a published & available one then by all means proceed with your delusions. 

Talking about delusions while believing that 25th and 31st most acclaimed albums of a decade would make anyone upset like they are not very acclaimed (if they are not, you fave has only one very acclaimed album in her whole career) is hilarious. 

 

Both 1989 and Red being mid-70s albums but ending up top 20 or 30 (depending on the list you use) most acclaimed albums of a decade shows that they were very acclaimed retrospectively which explains the acclaim they get today.

 

But if her scores being high because of narrative instead of music is the argument that makes you feel better, go ahead... 

Edited December 17, 2023 by WildHeart

[West Coast]

Wdgaf about this rando YouTuber 

[teenager]

I love Taylor’s attitude to re-recording and reclaiming her hard work but 1989 TV was a definite miss - it’s giving own brand supermarket goods

Edited December 17, 2023 by teenager

[Laura Palmer]

And he’s still talking about it 

[lonnie]

Quite frankly the only reason it got the score it has is because Taylor is humongous, critics are giving high scores overall, and the era being what it is. It doesn't deserve the praise it got but I don't get why people pay much attention to YT critics. But he is right here I guess

 

[Cleanromantic]

He also didn't like the original and called it overrated as well so the oth that suddenly like the OG and warship this YouTuber need another narrative I fear. 

[Gelato]

The egghead is right

[MissedTheTrain]

His opinion!

 

Re-creating 1989 was always going to be a challenge and there were a couple of songs that did not turn out quite as good as the originals (Style, mainly), but they're close enough for fulfilling the purpose for Taylor.

 

There are quite a few that I feel like are better than the originals...I Know Places, You Are In Love, Wonderland, This Love, just to name a few.

[Noodles]

4 hours ago, hyde said:

I'd trust Ajayll's word more than this man 

That woman offers NOTHING other than screaming, crying or being shady, which obviously is what a lot of people love to watch. But there's nothing to "trust" when it comes to her reactions, she offers nothing.

[McNulty]

he's right the 1989 TV mixing is terrible, you guys need your ears checked

 

[Redstreak]

1 hour ago, LoveInStereo said:

1989 was slammed at the time by techies for lacking dynamics, over-compression & being mixed too loud. Now it’s been tweaked to fix that prob & people are claiming the originals were perfect? Ppl hating on the TVs are mostly just being contrarian pick me’s. Dude didn’t even like the original album!

He literally didn’t even bother reviewing the original

[Diet Pepsi]

I’m sure she’s whipping her tears with her millions of dollar bills