celeb news Hajime Sorayama DRAGS Beyoncé

[Cameltoe Chariot]

3 minutes ago, Peroxide said:

I’m half way into this comparison video and I’m failing to see any plagiarism 

Here's some articles to explain it further if you can't see how much original choreography + staging was lifted by Bey's team:

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/beyonce-countdown-video-choreographer-reacts-246276/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/beyonce-countdown-video-and-the-art-of-stealing/2011/11/15/gIQAj0WbYN_story.html

 

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/beyonce-countdown-video-brings-charges-of-plagiarism-2-466312/

 

https://pitchfork.com/news/44269-beyonce-accused-of-ripping-off-belgian-choreographer-for-countdown-video/

 

[ariesgroove]

i don’t really see this as shade, but if she wanted him she would’ve contacted him  every artist can take inspiration from something except beyoncé it seems 

[nostalgic]

Hajime can leave a royalty check on Fritzie's grave at Forest Lawn if he's so impassioned about this piece of intellectual property which *as of 11 months ago* is in the public domain 

Edited December 11, 2023 by nostalgic

[Uncatena]

47 minutes ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

It's hilarious seeing her stans RUNNING to namedrop Metropolis as if Bey hasn't lifted entire videos in the past 

 

 

someone actually editing this is so embarrassing, literally not a single shot is similar

[Kassi]

I don't it. These are all references. 

 

The same way he referenced Metropolis is the same way she referenced Metropolis, him, and The Birth of Venus

 

 

Art builds on what came before it.

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, UnderratedVocalist said:

Oh come on y'all. Sure, it is inspired by Metropolis but the designs are literally exactly the same with the antennas. Even down to their angle

Like, I get it, y'all stan B. But sometimes, you gotta call it like it is. Otherwise, you are literally proving the people that say Hive will defend Beyonce over everything, right.

100% agree that she may have been inspired to construct that particular helmet. We're always seeing her vision boards in the BTS

 

 

But he's complaining about her referencing the same things he does

 

 

For example, they both reference Metropolis and The Birth of Venus (in different and similar ways). The point of creativity is to find interesting connections between similar (or dissimilar) concepts.

 

I guess he just wanted to work on the merch? 

[Tripthelight]

I don’t see the shade. Moreso, “Hey girl, you should have asked me to make something new for you instead of asking permission from my team to make your own.” I’m sure he got paid well by The Weeknd and wants a check from Bey. 

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

Here's some articles to explain it further if you can't see how much original choreography + staging was lifted by Bey's team:

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/beyonce-countdown-video-choreographer-reacts-246276/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/beyonce-countdown-video-and-the-art-of-stealing/2011/11/15/gIQAj0WbYN_story.html

 

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/beyonce-countdown-video-brings-charges-of-plagiarism-2-466312/

 

https://pitchfork.com/news/44269-beyonce-accused-of-ripping-off-belgian-choreographer-for-countdown-video/

 

I can see the similarities. I just don't see how this is an issue.

 

It's pop music, after all. Since the 1980s, music videos have routinely utilized existing dance moves and scenes as sources of inspiration. We can look at Madonna and Michael Jackson as just two of the biggest examples, Michael by referencing Fred Astaire's films, style, and choreography as well as Cab Calloway's "moon walk", Madonna referencing Marilyn Monroe's Diamonds Are A Girls Best Friend costumes, set and choreography. The difference is merely that Beyoncé's reference was more underground so people assumed she thought no one would ever know.

 

But what is odd in this discourse is to presume that Beyoncé thought she could "lift" so much without no one ever noticing. It is, after all, an iconic dance video, even if just in the dance world. If she were really intending to "lift" this work and pass it off as her own, would she not have tried a bit more to add differentiation? The costumes? The camera angles? Some of the moves? Each article or side-by-side "gotcha" moment only further proves that Beyoncé was clearly intending to mimic it as the intention of the video. If you cannot see this, then we can always look at some of the non-Theresa-inspired moments of the video that reference other iconic musical/dance moments, such as Audrey Hepburn in Funny Face. Clearly, reference was part of it here.

 

If someone doesn't have knowledge of the references, that's not really Beyoncé's fault. I've never seen a pop video that references other existing works having to put a bibliography at the end. You either catch the reference or you don't.

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

It's hilarious seeing her stans RUNNING to namedrop Metropolis as if Bey hasn't lifted entire videos in the past 

 

 

It's hilarious seeing people bring up the same decade old shade as if a popstar has never made a reference before.

[swissman]

People who complain about these things as if they are some outright terrible offence clearly don't follow fashion, where inspiration, references, and yes even sometimes replication are a major part of the art-form. It's about taking your references and adding something to them that builds upon the concept of the former, or in updating it, says something new through it. But somehow when it involves Beyoncé, people add scale to it that is not often given to other popstars, most of which have referenced existing works in the past.

 

And by reading his comment, it's seems as if he WAS asked for permission, or he would not have said she should have "officially" asked. Which means, she unofficially asked, which means this isn't a surprise nor an attempt to take his work and pass it off as their own.

 

And I'd be very curious to know if he asked Fritz Lang or later, Fritz Lang's estate officially or unofficially if he could reference Metropolis, too.

 

Anyway, he is a legend and very talented so I guess he gets to be finicky about these things, it just rings a bit out of tune when it's so long after the tour started (and finished) and apparently coming after permission was in some form, asked.

[LoveInStereo]

3 hours ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

Imagine thinking you own a 19th century movie 

I’m sorry but if you’re any older than 10, it is fr embarrassing that you think the 1900s are anything other than the 20th century

[LatinFreak]

Another day, another nobody trying it with Queen Bey. 

[Gossip_Boy]

B and Mugler BEEN doing this for years and years. He comes off as bitter and petty for no damn reason. 
 

They need to stop pretending Bey is some new girl. She is the blueprint and standard, not the other way around.

[Jeremiah]

At this point it makes me think she scrapped/delayed the music videos because of the potential many references/borrowed visuals. She probably has it all legally covered, but after the Robin, Kelis, Right Said Fred and now Sorayama incidents, it’d be tiresome to clear each personally.

[Chris]

44 minutes ago, Jeremiah said:

At this point it makes me think she scrapped/delayed the music videos because of the potential many references/borrowed visuals. She probably has it all legally covered, but after the Robin, Kelis, Right Said Fred and now Sorayama incidents, it’d be tiresome to clear each personally.

I doubt that.

[Soda Pop Queen]

8 hours ago, ariesgroove said:

i don’t really see this as shade, but if she wanted him she would’ve contacted him  every artist can take inspiration from something except beyoncé it seems 

Pretty much. All artists, across different mediums, "steal" at her level. Beyoncé has always been far more cultured than the average ATRL'er so of course, she and her team are always pulling inspiration from everywhere and piecing things together or just re-purposing. She's become too much of an easy target because for years she never even bothered defending/explaining herself to the extent that others will. I mean, imagine the confidence and flattery it gives someone to say someone like Beyoncé was inspired by/copied their work. 9 times out of 10, I think this is what it's all about, even moreso than trying to get paid.

[Xtina23]

Yikes!

[JBJT2786]

18 minutes ago, Xtina23 said:

Yikes!

The yikes is you downvoting me cuz I pointed out that your thread was AP since you didn't bother to look for previous threads on the site before posting. Pure hater behavior I see.

[RIKI232]

another clout chaser

[JonginBey]

The girls want personal phone calls from Beyoncé, and they’ll die by the phone waiting.

 

 

[Sannie]

20 hours ago, ariesgroove said:

i don’t really see this as shade, but if she wanted him she would’ve contacted him  every artist can take inspiration from something except beyoncé it seems 

A lot of what Beyonce "creates" is heavily influenced, if not flat-out pulled from others. It is important to credit others when this is the case. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being influenced or pulling from others as long as the inspiration gets their dues. This is how art is supposed to work.

[Pendulum]

not Janelle Monae's old gig 

[BnPac]

He seems he just wants to work with her. And find that what she did wasn’t as good as what he could have done, his career being more focused on that movie? 
I don’t see the shade but he clearly clout chasing a bit.

[onetooth79]

Seems more like he's just saying 'hey, if you reached out to me then I would have made you something better than what you did.' I don't see it as 'you took inspiration from my work and didn't give me credit.'
Only person being dragged is whoever Beyonce worked with instead

[Movimento Perpétuo]

He thought he ate