poll Renaissance vs Pink Print 2: more respectful use of samples?

[Alak96]

So?

 

[alexrex]

None. 

 

Both literally abused the use of samples to their own benefit, and should be taken to justice for their crimes against music AND for destroying those songs. 

Edited December 9, 2023 by alexrex

[jesus del rey]

Well Beyonce had the Kelis drama which was untasteful and then there's PF2 which is completely untasteful. I say its a close call

 

[IceSpice]

Both did great. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

Beys use is very intentional and her songs still manage to sound original.

Onika takes a sample, speeds it up or just uses a catchy hook, and raps over it without any significant alteration.

[JoAddams]

Renaissance is art

[Album Leak]

The fact that almost half of Pink Friday Girls is just the original Girls Just Want to Have Fun but it doesn't credit Cyndi as a featuring artists makes me feel some sort of way.

[KKW]

Wtf is a “respectful” sample lmao

[iamanearthling]

You guys know which one did it well. Lols.

[Phaunzie]

I'm confused what's wrong with sampling, both have duds but also excellent use of samples.

[zoldyck]

Beyonce has a vision.

 

Nicki last solo hits sampled some classic she decided to get as much as possible in hope of securing another hit. 

[Vitaly]

None. No amount if sampling is legal or "respectful " without permission from (all) the copyright holder(s)

 

There aren't any rules in making music, but unfortunately there is in selling and getting paid for music. One can sample whatever you want on your music so long it only ended up in your hard drive for personal use. I.E your siblings or cousins bat/bar mitzvah or quinceañera parties. But once you uploaded it commercially, such as as way of promotion, getting gigs, getting a contract or actually selling it, then you are bound under copyright law.

 

I am more interested in saying which use of sampling is the laziest and I would say Nicki cos she uses almost half of the song she sampled into her songs, and she using it in the least interesting way, case in point, the track Are You Gone Already. It is just so uninspired. Especially in the world where The Clash's song can turned into Paper Planes and be a hit.

 

At very least Beyoncé using samples to actually enriched her songs, and people barely noticed it until some artists sounding out how their songs were used without permission, instead of just straight out putting it on a track and sing/rap over it. 

[ImpressMeMuch]

Rolling at the serious answers to this setup lmao

[AxelFox]

4 minutes ago, Vitaly said:

 

At very least Beyoncé using samples to actually enriched her songs, and people barely noticed it until some artists sounding out how their songs were used without permission, instead of just straight out putting it on a track and sing/rap over it. 

Y'all need to stop with the fake news and narratives. 
 

Beyoncé had all the legal permissions for each and every one of the samples used on Renaissance. All of them were cleared with the people that LEGALLY had the rights to said pieces of music. 

[vale9001]

Some of Nicki recent songs are basically the original song with her doing a rap part. This is what i call a rap remix of a pop song, not an original song. 

 

Beyoncè uses that in the same way basically all modern black music uses it, so i don't get what's the point to call out her for that and then calling Frank Ocean, Kanye and Kendrick geniuses.

 

and btw using samples in an original way to mix them to an original new sound takes compostive talent.. it's stupid to think that's unoriginal cause every pop song has combination of notes already used in the past, so it's not very different. 

Edited December 9, 2023 by vale9001

[V$.]

42 minutes ago, alexrex said:

None. 

 

Both literally abused the use of samples to their own benefit, and should be taken to justice for their crimes against music AND for destroying those songs. 

[Vitaly]

1 minute ago, AxelFox said:

Y'all need to stop with the fake news and narratives. 
 

Beyoncé had all the legal permissions for each and every one of the samples used on Renaissance. All of them were cleared with the people that LEGALLY had the rights to said pieces of music. 

But then why Kelis said what she said? And the way that interpolation actually removed from the song after that also not very pretty for Beyoncé though? 

[Dialamba]

Beyoncé chooses her samples wisely sometimes I don’t know even know she uses while Nicki is blatantly obvious and it’s Half assed produced songs. 

[AxelFox]

Just now, Vitaly said:

But then why Kelis said what she said? And the way that interpolation actually removed from the song after that also not very pretty for Beyoncé though? 

Because Kelis does NOT have the legal rights of the song and Beyoncé had no obligation whatsoever to ask permission of her to use it. 
 

Even though Kelis does not have a writing credit on Milkshake, Beyoncé STILL gave her credit on Energy so that she would get royalties from it. And she still came out talking **** just because she expected a personal call from Beyoncé letting her know about it. And that's why she was removed as to make a point, not because she *had* to do it. 

[ANG3L]

Nicki sampling is just corny, everything sounds like a parody 

[ANG3L]

11 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

Because Kelis does NOT have the legal rights of the song and Beyoncé had no obligation whatsoever to ask permission of her to use it. 
 

Even though Kelis does not have a writing credit on Milkshake, Beyoncé STILL gave her credit on Energy so that she would get royalties from it. And she still came out talking **** just because she expected a personal call from Beyoncé letting her know about it. And that's why she was removed as to make a point, not because she *had* to do it. 

You can barely notice the sample too

[Devin]

“respectful use of samples” 

 

heavy sampling has always been a thing in the Black community whether it was blatant or made with a twist.

[Shelter]

Beyoncé’s is very creative. Nicki is just lifting the original and remixing it  no shame 

[Diet Pepsi]

the one with a GRAMMY

[justin.]

We need to stop disrespecting Renaissance with these threads. It’s like comparing a Bugatti with a Toyota Prius.