base talk Reputation vs. Born This Way: More Punk?

[GraceRandolph]

Which album embodied the spirit of punk or goth-punk more holistically? Which album carries a punk spirit?

 

 

[Kimi]

Girl don’t be annoying 

[Marry The Gods]

the one with bloody mary and electric chapel

 

[Taylor fanboy]

The one with Don’t Blame Me, Delicate and Dancing With Our Hands Tied.

 

[gingguu]

[HEAVYONIT]

reputation's sound is definitely more defiant and heavier than Taylor's other music, but it's definitely not punk. BTW takes the more punk vibe. 

[Gladiator]

rep is not punk.

[Digitalism]

I mean BTW the song was a little more punk that anything on Puta because of the topic. But we all know she did that to cement her gay fandom and win money which is the antithesis of punk.

So neither of them are punk but If I have to choose it would be BTW 

 

[alexrex]

Lady Gaga literally sacrificed her popularity and her sales to defend her vision as an artist and show her entire support for the LGBT+ community with this album. 

 

That's a punk move coming from a pop star if you ask me. 

[Jacobdaniel]

2 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

I mean BTW the song was a little more punk that anything on Puta because of the topic. But we all know she did that to cement her gay fandom and win money which is the antithesis of punk.

So neither of them are punk but If I have to choose it would be BTW 

 

releasing a whole album for the gay community at a time when it wasn't popular to is punk. like marriage equality wasn't even legal yet. queer people couldn't serve openly in the military. gay people could be fired from their jobs just for being out. standing up to that is punk.

[Dula Peep]

Literally nothing about Reputation is punk, edgy or even boundary pushing... let's not. 

[Khal]

Neither. But considering BTW at least dealt with some themes of rebelling and being an outcast (surface level) it definitely has more claim to “punk” than “he can be my JAILOR, Burton to his TAYLOR”. 

[Mickie]

YNTCM edgy lyrics clears easily 

[Abracadabra]

20 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

I mean BTW the song was a little more punk that anything on Puta because of the topic. But we all know she did that to cement her gay fandom and win money which is the antithesis of punk.

That's not really accurate because 2011 was a widely different landscape than today both socially and politically, Gaga being so vocal and explicit in her songs about LGBTQ rights wasn't some kind of guarantee of success, it was absolutely a risk to her mainstream appeal, and actually did impact her appeal with the GP and pop radio in a way that her career changed forever. It also doesn't really make sense to say that it was some kind of cynical move to cement her gay fanbase, as her gay fanbase was already heavily cemented by that point in time and would have stayed loyal to her regardless of the subject matter of that album. She was literally the biggest star on earth at that time, the safe thing for her to do would have been to make more songs like The Fame Monster, but she used the absolute peak of her career to release an album about LGBTQ rights and LGBTQ youth, immigrant, and female empowerment in a time when that was not the status quo or even widely accepted at all, sounds pretty punk to me.

[Digitalism]

3 minutes ago, Miichael said:

That's not really accurate because 2011 was a widely different landscape than today both socially and politically, Gaga being so vocal and explicit in her songs about LGBTQ rights wasn't some kind of guarantee of success, it was absolutely a risk to her mainstream appeal, and actually did impact her appeal with the GP and pop radio in a way that her career changed forever. It also doesn't really make sense to say that it was some kind of cynical move to cement her gay fanbase, as her gay fanbase was already heavily cemented by that point in time and would have stayed loyal to her regardless of the subject matter of that album. She was literally the biggest star on earth at that time, the safe thing for her to do would have been to make more songs like The Fame Monster, but she used the absolute peak of her career to release an album about LGBTQ rights and LGBTQ youth, immigrant, and female empowerment in a time when that was not the status quo or even widely accepted at all, sounds pretty punk to me.

You keep saying this but people like Madonna did it to at their peak in the 80s in the mids of the AIDS epidemic which was the worst time for gay people in recent times. Gaga didn't loose anything 

[Reginald]

The one with Americano 

 

 

[GraceRandolph]

26 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

You keep saying this but people like Madonna did it to at their peak in the 80s in the mids of the AIDS epidemic which was the worst time for gay people in recent times. Gaga didn't loose anything 

Just because Madonna did it before doesn’t mean it wasn’t brave of Gaga.

[Abracadabra]

30 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

You keep saying this but people like Madonna did it to at their peak in the 80s in the mids of the AIDS epidemic which was the worst time for gay people in recent times. Gaga didn't loose anything 

Who keeps saying it? This is the first time I have posted about that  Nobody was saying Gaga was the first artist to ever do it, that's not the point  And as much as Madonna's pro-gay message in the 80's and 90's was trailblazing and brave at that time, Gaga's actual music itself was more explicit lyrically in it's meaning. The fact that an artist as huge as Gaga in the early 2010's even released arguably her most pivotal lead single of her career and had a #1 song with the word transgender in it was unprecedented and undoubtedly a risky move from a commercial standpoint from a huge mainstream pop artist.

[Rev8]

BTW is more rock

the whole era embodied a more edgier style..which was born out of Gaga's natural rock side

 

rather than Reputation being born out of Taylor's reputation at the time

which everyone was hating on her and she even decided to go against the norm of a pop star era - not show herself anywhere and not do extensive promo

 

 

[Jacobdaniel]

57 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

You keep saying this but people like Madonna did it to at their peak in the 80s in the mids of the AIDS epidemic which was the worst time for gay people in recent times. Gaga didn't loose anything 

no one is saying Madonna didn't do this too....?

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Do you ever get tired of talking about Taylor? 

 

OT: reputation 

[Maroonx]

wtf, since when is Puta punk?

 

This is giving delusions similar to "olivia rodrigo is a rock singer"...

[Mystic Boy]

The one with this Punk anthem.

A true statement to this rotting society 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Great808]

Taylor’s producers playing with some edgy synths and using gangster graffiti font on the albums artwork and her fans thinking it’s “punk” is the CRINGIEST thing I’ve seen from them in a while. Yikes

[Taemira]

i dont know but rep is better than any gaga album