satellites.™ Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 Actual non-conformist moments from massive pop icons that got them into a bunch of trouble. Sinead O Conner protesting the abuse of children in the Catholic Church by ripping up a photo of the Pope on SNL. Beyoncé sinking a police car in Formation to represent the victims of Hurricane Katrina and police brutality. Britney shaving her head as a means of regaining control of her image and her individual power. Madonna releasing her iconic SEX book and showing that women can be in control of sex and their own sexual image. Kanye interrupting Taylor at the VMAs on behalf of her royal highness Beyonce. 2 1 5 3 21
Nico Robin Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 Also THEE punk rock album released in november 2003 1
Digitalism Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 Kanye was wrong but that is punk actually. 1
Mr.X Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 I see the vision but punk those 'moves' are still not for they are also within the commerce and popular/mainstream frame of popstardom. AT BEST, Sinead's was quite punk. The other, specifically Madonna's and Beyoncé, were done as artistic statements for profit and within the mainstream system still, without moving to directly adapt or changing the material conditions of the people they were wanting to represent. Making the system more 'equal' isn't punk, the punkness is in breaking the system altogether or attempting to, and creating new, more just systems that don't revel in capitalist or mainstream forms of operation. Neither of those artists intended or moved to do that, they simply rebelled against 'parts' of the system they deemed problematic (which they were right to and I am in agreement). But punk they were not. 6
Kill Me Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 I knew some nerves were triggered but this is just... All this over a silly quote from an interview where it ends with a gladiator quote lmao 6 4 3 2
alexrex Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Give her a break. She's selling reputation like that so that more people buy her new re recording. It's being "edgy" for marketing. Give her another #1 record and more millions to her pocket, swifties Edited December 7, 2023 by alexrex
FailSafe Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 THIS is the definition of PUNK. Take note, miss Taytay 5 1
Redstreak Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, alexrex said: Give her a break. She's selling reputation like that so that more people buy her new re recording. It's being "edgy" for marketing. Give her another #1 record and more millions in jer pocket, swifties OTH mad that a musician likes promoting their music 2
vale9001 Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) The way OTH is a big part of the reason every posts about taylor impact reach 180 pages to explain she has not impact and then open other 5 threads about two word in an interview always because of the no impact also reputation, an album i don't like it's basically britney shaving her heads but Taylor made album about it, as musician doesn't communicate with hair and with going to the hair salon . also last act is not punk but a pure mysoginy act, we are not surprised mysoginy on women are not build on you expectations of how women should entertain gay men is punk Edited December 7, 2023 by vale9001 5 1 2
Headlock Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 You writing this as if a) Taylor will see this, and b) as if she was being serious It’s starting to look like OTHs are the ones with the parasocial relationship to Taylor 3 8
Digitalism Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) The funniest part of all of this is that swifties truly believe that people just want something to drag taylor. When she was clearly wrong with this(specially the goth part). Even if it is meaningless. You don't need to defend everything your fav says Edited December 7, 2023 by Digitalism 1 1 2
sasashite Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 Ok. I'm sure she'll read this and take notes, just as Beyoncé did after seeing Taylor's deal with AMC Theatres for The Eras film. 1
alexrex Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Redstreak said: OTH mad that a musician likes promoting their music I forgot we live on the age where you are instantly a hater if you voice your true opinion.
satellites.™ Posted December 7, 2023 Author Posted December 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mr.X said: I see the vision but punk those 'moves' are still not for they are also within the commerce and popular/mainstream frame of popstardom. AT BEST, Sinead's was quite punk. The other, specifically Madonna's and Beyoncé, were done as artistic statements for profit and within the mainstream system still, without moving to directly adapt or changing the material conditions of the people they were wanting to represent. Making the system more 'equal' isn't punk, the punkness is in breaking the system altogether or attempting to, and creating new, more just systems that don't revel in capitalist or mainstream forms of operation. Neither of those artists intended or moved to do that, they simply rebelled against 'parts' of the system they deemed problematic (which they were right to and I am in agreement). But punk they were not. "I mean, I'm an artist and I think the most powerful art is usually misunderstood. But anyone who perceives my message as anti-police is completely mistaken. I have so much admiration and respect for officers and the families of the officers who sacrifice themselves to keeps us safe. But let's be clear: I am against police brutality and injustice. Those are two separate things. If celebrating my roots and culture during Black History Month made anyone uncomfortable, those feelings were there long before a video and long before me. I'm proud of what we created and I'm proud to be part of a conversation that is pushing things forward in a positive way." She took the families of police brutality to the VMAs and paid ALL of their legal fees. 1
satellites.™ Posted December 7, 2023 Author Posted December 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, Digitalism said: The funniest part of all of this is that swifties truely believe that people just want something to drag taylor. When she was clearly wrong with this(specially the goth part). Even if it is meaningless. You don't need to defend everything your fav says Like, they are really in their feelings because we are doing the SAME THING we would do to any other pop icon, she's THAT GIRL and it comes with criticism.
satellites.™ Posted December 7, 2023 Author Posted December 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, sasashite said: Ok. I'm sure she'll read this and take notes, just as Beyoncé did after seeing Taylor's deal with AMC Theatres for The Eras film. Hmm. “And she’s such a great disrupter of music-industry norms. She taught every artist how to flip the table and challenge archaic business practices.” - Taylor on Beyonce 1
NEX Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 The same user who's been relentlessly dragging Britney, her head shaving and her mental state since the beginning of his atrl career is now glorifying one of her lowest points as a "genuine punk moment" as a way of throwing a cheap digs at Taylor
Klein Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, satellites.™ said: Hmm. “And she’s such a great disrupter of music-industry norms. She taught every artist how to flip the table and challenge archaic business practices.” - Taylor on Beyonce And yet, this time she made the move first and Beyoncé followed. A student surpasses the master kind of situation in this case.
Katamari Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 This thread is so silly why are yall taking it so seriously 1
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