base talk Renaissance WT Movie struggles badly overseas, opens with 5.5M (official)

[Mystic Boy]

2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

Literally no box office analyst worth their salt is comparing Renaissance to Moonlight.

Not buying this too

[Eternium]

1 hour ago, chiliam said:

Im one of the people that track weekly box office and usually also read their weekly article.

And compare Renaissance to Moonlight is literally insane. Moonlight audiences are much more niche. 

Renaissance is a concert movie, it will be compare with other concert movies.

Or it can be compare to other films target at black audiences like those Typer Perry's movies.  Or at the very least the movie target at black queer and black female (just like the concert demographic). 

And if you insisted on comparison with Moonlight then thats movie gross 65m WW, then Renaissance should also gross at least 50m. Below 50m will be consider a flop.

Then you should know better. Renaissance is the 4th best performing non-rated film of the century already, the best performing concert film by a person of color ever and the 7th best performing concert film ever. What makes you think that could be a flop?  
 

Moonlight’s marketing was an R-rated film about black queerness. It did poorly initially and got a massive boost from the Oscars. Tyler Perry’s films star black casts, but they’re comedies aimed at black families. When he did an R-rated film, it stalled at $33.7M. Even if you decide to compare to Tyler Perry, she’s only $121k away from outdoing it. Her numbers are excellent no matter how you cut it.

 

Also, you can’t make a distinction on what is and what isn’t a flop unless you have the budget. You clearly don’t actually follow the box office. Tour films are incredibly low budget and typically make their money back from DVD sales and streaming deals. Any box office revenue is just a plus - that’s why it’s such a big deal that tour films in 2023 are doing as well as they are. It’s basically free money for everyone involved.

[Love4Janet]

The gymnastics on display from the Hive to explain how Bey isn't actually flopping has Simone Biles sweating 

[slw84]

20 minutes ago, Love4Janet said:

The gymnastics on display from the Hive to explain how Bey isn't actually flopping has Simone Biles sweating 

 

But at least it hit #1 on the box office so...

[Alexz]

17 minutes ago, slw84 said:

 

 

 

But at least it hit #1 on the box office so...

Simone is such a legend.

[EnigmaticAndroid]

NOT the Moonlight comp 

[Kasix]

On 12/10/2023 at 9:53 AM, WildHeart said:

 

The star-quality is so big that it is competing with Eddie Murphy (and somehow failing against) 

 

Jokes write themselves at this point 

Looks like Beyonce is never even bigger than Miley or JB.

im not from the US so I don’t get how her fanbase get the courage to act like their fave is next level to Madonna or something.
 

She’s just like a middle of the pack, Ariana grande sized artist.  

Edited December 12, 2023 by Kasix

[chiliam]

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

Then you should know better. Renaissance is the 4th best performing non-rated film of the century already, the best performing concert film by a person of color ever and the 7th best performing concert film ever. What makes you think that could be a flop?  
 

Moonlight’s marketing was an R-rated film about black queerness. It did poorly initially and got a massive boost from the Oscars. Tyler Perry’s films star black casts, but they’re comedies aimed at black families. When he did an R-rated film, it stalled at $33.7M. Even if you decide to compare to Tyler Perry, she’s only $121k away from outdoing it. Her numbers are excellent no matter how you cut it.

 

Also, you can’t make a distinction on what is and what isn’t a flop unless you have the budget. You clearly don’t actually follow the box office. Tour films are incredibly low budget and typically make their money back from DVD sales and streaming deals. Any box office revenue is just a plus - that’s why it’s such a big deal that tour films in 2023 are doing as well as they are. It’s basically free money for everyone involved.

https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-boy-heron-renaissance-beyonce/

#6 = Renaissance: A Film by Beyoncé

Last weekend, the AMC Theatres Distribution + Variance Films concert documentary debuted to $21.8M.

Now in its sophomore frame, it plunges a steep -77% to $5.0M and sixth place.

Compared to the sophomore drops for other comparable concert documentaries, that’s far steeper than:

• 2009’s posthumous Michael Jackson concert documentary This Is It = -43%
• 2011’s Justin Bieber: Never Say Never = -55%
• October’s Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour = -64%
• 2008’s Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert = -67%

 

 

Her opening week is lower and the drop was much steeper than other comparable concert movies and all boxoffice analysis will compare one concert movie to another. No one in their right mind compare this to Moonlight. 

You can argue that its still a success consider it`s low budget but you cannot deny this is underperformed for Beyonce name and compare to the tour success.  

[perfillusion]

8 hours ago, Eternium said:

 

Do you guys not understand what a comp is? You basically compare films to other films based on rating, audience reception, genre, length, content and promotion. It’s what film analysts do and they’re able to get box office runs right about 97% of the time.
 

Renaissance is heavily marketed towards celebrating LGBTQIAA+ black ballroom culture and that is the promotion behind it. You wouldn’t expect a non-rated film to pull the same target audience as a PG-13 film because you’ve alienated families and children. You wouldn’t expect a black queer film to break $65M because it’s never been done before.

 

I understand you girls think that just because Beyoncé’s popular means that a concert about Beyonce should be popular, but that’s not what the box office measures. The box office measures marketability and, unfortunately, black queer culture isn’t mainstream marketable just yet. But kudos to Beyonce for trying to change that and bring it further and further into the limelight.

I'm sorry but comparing Renaissance to Moonlight is WILD. Moonlight is a 1.5M budgeted indie with no name actors that deals with male homosexuality head on, including the ***. It was put out by A24 which even today don't have a lot of $ to market their movies, let alone then. There are literally entire sequences in the movie of just characters talking for 20 minutes. 
 

Renaissance is a dancey album by one of the biggest female artists around, with the most powerful PR along with Taylor, and a billionaire husband who is one of the most powerful names in music. For months we heard PR hype about how the tour saved the economy, etc. The fact that the album is dedicated to her gay uncle is unknown by the gp and to the average person there's nothing gay about the album unless you consider its dancey quality to be gay. 
 

This is like comparing 1980s MJ to Spike Lee's She's Gotta Have It and expect them to gross the same.

[perfillusion]

7.5M outside the US in 94 countries after 2 weeks:
 

 

[Steve Johnson]

3 minutes ago, perfillusion said:

7.5M outside the US in 94 countries after 2 weeks:
 

 

[family.guy123]

8 minutes ago, perfillusion said:

7.5M outside the US in 94 countries after 2 weeks:
 

 

 great numbers. Anybody scoffing at this hates women 

[Feanor]

22 minutes ago, perfillusion said:

7.5M outside the US in 94 countries after 2 weeks:
 

 

Hopefully it can reach $50M when all is said and done, that would be a great finish number.

[Thor]

30 minutes ago, perfillusion said:

7.5M outside the US in 94 countries after 2 weeks:
 

 

An epic disaster.

 

Who told her to run and copy Taylor’s exact strategy? Now these #s are even more embarrassing for her.

[Kasix]

5 hours ago, Feanor said:

Hopefully it can reach $50M when all is said and done, that would be a great finish number.

It is only making less than 1m per week. Theaters are not gonna keep it for another 14 weeks 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Kasix

[slw84]

On 12/12/2023 at 5:19 PM, Kasix said:

It is only making less than 1m per week. Theaters are not gonna keep it for another 14 weeks 

Is there a minimum a film must perform to remain in theaters?

[perfillusion]

16 hours ago, slw84 said:

Is there a minimum a film must perform to remain in theaters?

No, movies will be kept or dropped depending on how they perform. It helps RENAISSANCE that there is not that much competition. Due to the strikes, a lot of big movies were pushed to next year so this holiday season is kind of barren. But it's still performing poorly, suffering the biggest drop in the top 10 yesterday. It should end its entire U.S. run with ~35M, less than what Eras did in its first day (37M). And that's with the U.S. being its strongest market.
https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart 

[Embustera]

Good numbers . It has yet to be released in Brazil, Spain and Italy.

[slw84]

1 hour ago, perfillusion said:

No, movies will be kept or dropped depending on how they perform. It helps RENAISSANCE that there is not that much competition. Due to the strikes, a lot of big movies were pushed to next year so this holiday season is kind of barren. But it's still performing poorly, suffering the biggest drop in the top 10 yesterday. It should end its entire U.S. run with ~35M, less than what Eras did in its first day (37M). And that's with the U.S. being its strongest market.
https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart 

I forgot about this site. I'm gonna bookmark it.

 

Well, at least hit it #1 and satisfied her stans.

[Armani?]

1 hour ago, perfillusion said:

No, movies will be kept or dropped depending on how they perform. It helps RENAISSANCE that there is not that much competition. Due to the strikes, a lot of big movies were pushed to next year so this holiday season is kind of barren. But it's still performing poorly, suffering the biggest drop in the top 10 yesterday. It should end its entire U.S. run with ~35M, less than what Eras did in its first day (37M). And that's with the U.S. being its strongest market.
https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart 

So it'll do nearly 50M globally when it's set & done since it hasn't been released in multiple countries. I think Brazil will probably do pretty well opening day

 

That's not a flop compared to the budget lol

[Armani?]

On 12/11/2023 at 5:46 PM, Love4Janet said:

The gymnastics on display from the Hive to explain how Bey isn't actually flopping has Simone Biles sweating 

A movie is flopping when it fells to recoup its budget expenses + promotion, there is no mental gymnastics 

[Welovetrouble]

53 minutes ago, Armani? said:

A movie is flopping when it fells to recoup its budget expenses + promotion, there is no mental gymnastics 

It underperformed but I think people are exaggerating how badly it performed

[Alexz]

On 12/11/2023 at 7:07 PM, Kasix said:

Looks like Beyonce is never even bigger than Miley or JB.

im not from the US so I don’t get how her fanbase get the courage to act like their fave is next level to Madonna or something.
 

She’s just like a middle of the pack, Ariana grande sized artist.  

Beyoncé is a big celebrity but a mid music act.

[Kristie Kuwa]

47 minutes ago, Alexz said:

Beyoncé is a big celebrity but a mid music act.

I've never seen somebody who has such a dislike for somebody else spend so much time on them. U really should consider seeking professional help

[Alexz]

2 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

I've never seen somebody who has such a dislike for somebody else spend so much time on them. U really should consider seeking professional help

Thank you.