base talk Renaissance WT Movie struggles badly overseas, opens with 5.5M (official)

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Dzjxdzjx said:

Actually, she kind of was.

It's also really weird how Beyhive act as if Beyonce's skin color was somehow an obstacle to her success when there's SO MANY incredibly successful black artists through history: Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Lauryn Hill, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Drake, The Weeknd... I could go on and on and on. You have SZA right now, a dark skinned black woman, having a MASSIVELY successful album with SOS. And let's not forget that Beyonce herself was a massive commercial force for many years, even being Female Artist of the Decade in the 00s.

 

This idea that Beyonce is less successful than Taylor because of her skin color is just pure coping and delusion. There's a lot of racism politically (we saw the backlash to Obama's presidency and BLM in general) but when it comes to music and entertainment nobody out there is going out of their way to not listen to an artist's music because they're black, that's just not a thing 

Edited December 5, 2023 by Enrique523

[littlebodybigheart]

7 hours ago, Alexz said:

Isn't this exactly what Beyoncé does?

bingo!

[Thor]

10 hours ago, perfillusion said:

According to official numbers (not estimates), the number outside the US is actually 5.5M, not 6.4M. But in the US it did a little better than estimates: 21.8M

 

6 hours ago, perfillusion said:

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl347177729/?ref_=bo_hm_rd
 

 

Not it dropping more. A certified international FLOP. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 hour ago, Enrique523 said:

It's also really weird how Beyhive act as if Beyonce's skin color was somehow an obstacle to her success when there's SO MANY incredibly successful black artists through history: Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Lauryn Hill, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Drake, The Weeknd... I could go on and on and on. You have SZA right now, a dark skinned black woman, having a MASSIVELY successful album with SOS. And let's not forget that Beyonce herself was a massive commercial force for many years, even being Female Artist of the Decade in the 00s.

 

This idea that Beyonce is less successful than Taylor because of her skin color is just pure coping and delusion. There's a lot of racism politically (we saw the backlash to Obama's presidency and BLM in general) but when it comes to music and entertainment nobody out there is going out of their way to not listen to an artist's music because they're black, that's just not a thing 

Downplaying and refuting to accept that institutional and societal racism exist (in2023) should lead to a permaban tbh

[Armani?]

9 hours ago, charot said:

Her last global hit was Love On Top and that's ages ago, no surprise people have forgotten about her.

Her last global hit is Cuff It

[flashfox]

She did that by only appealing to a small demographic

[FolkLover1989]

Wait it ended up doing even less than $6m

 

Omg

 

Now that's a flop for international market

It would barely recover cost of prints all over the world and in some countries not even that

[Lemon]

13 hours ago, Gaia said:

And the rest? 
 

Was Beyonce a blonde white woman at 33?

 

Was Beyonce making bland pop music for mass consumption at 33 with lyrics like “it’s me hi I’m the problem it’s me”?

 

Was the market the same in 2013/2014 as it is in 2023 to compare by age? Let’s use that tiny little brain of yours for some critical thinking. 
 

If you think comparing an album like Renaissance to basic pop fodder like Midnights and Lover is reasonable then lmao. 
 

Surprise! Grimes’ alternative music isn’t mass consumed like an Ariana Grande album! 

 

 

 

You have described Katy Perry’s music here, not Taylor’s. And then you would be correct. 

[Blackout2006]

On 12/3/2023 at 10:25 PM, Hurem said:

Still the best tour of the year  

All the suspects downvoting

[perfillusion]

On 12/3/2023 at 9:17 PM, Artistofthedecade said:

 

Link

 

Official numbers

 

It becomes the fourth biggest opening domestically, right below Justin Bieber's "Never Say Never"

 

 

Seems like it fell to #3 in the US on Monday:

 

 

[cruelhprince]

the excuses here are sending me

[satellites.™]

A movie CANNOT struggle when it already beat its budget, this forum is full of dummies. 

[bjorn]

Let’s say it for what it is, no excuses 

 

it’s a underperformance 

[GreenEnvy]

9 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

A movie CANNOT struggle when it already beat its budget, this forum is full of dummies. 

That's not how this works and we don't know the budget for this.

[Trent W]

20 pages of a mess

 

I’m glad both paid their fanbases dust and just got along with each other

 

Losers

[HEAVYONIT]

Who cares? The Renaissance tour did great. I'd much rather go see a live tour than a tour film. 

[HEAVYONIT]

The real kii here is people actually arguing about going to the movies and wasting your money to watch a concert film, regardless of who the artist is 

[bijonse]

She always wins with critics and I think she cares more about that. It was one of my favorite movies ever to watch concert film or not she really captured the fun of being at the tour while weaving in the backstory and gave us her most intimate moments ever. 10/10 idc how “bad” it does overseas. Its probably doing better than most concert movies aside of taylor swifts anyways 

[magazine]

 

Miley won, as she should 

[Khal]

2 hours ago, satellites.™ said:

A movie CANNOT struggle when it already beat its budget, this forum is full of dummies. 

Not sure about concert films, but for blockbusters, this isn’t true. 

[period sis]

Her haters keeping track of the numbers more than the stans are

[Kasix]

2 hours ago, satellites.™ said:

A movie CANNOT struggle when it already beat its budget, this forum is full of dummies. 

You know that a normal film would need to do 2.5x its budget just to break even right? 
 

 

[satellites.™]

6 minutes ago, Kasix said:

You know that a normal film would need to do 2.5x its budget just to break even right? 
 

 

YOU know that THIS is not a normal film right? 

[satellites.™]

12 minutes ago, Khal said:

Not sure about concert films, but for blockbusters, this isn’t true. 

Is this a blockbuster or is everyone here DUMB like I said?

[Kasix]

2 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

YOU know that THIS is not a normal film right? 

I’m just correcting your “a movie cant be struggling if it evened out its budget” part 

Edited December 5, 2023 by Kasix